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#1 2ms

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:54

Today we see outrageous things like Vettel ignoring team orders bc he is faster than his teammate. In other seasons we've seen things like driver blackmailing his team with threats of showing emails to Mosley. Other times we've seen drivers hold up their teammates in pitlane so they can't do another lap in qualifying.

People love a ruthless driver who will do whatever it takes to win.

Who's the most ruthless driver in F1 today?

Edited by 2ms, 24 March 2013 - 11:20.


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#2 motorhead

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:55

Alonso

#3 DarthWillie

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:56

charles pic

#4 Vesuvius

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:56

Alonso

#5 SunnyENTP

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:56

Alonso

#6 ArkZ

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:57

Vettel

#7 Massa_f1

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:59

Senna, Schumacher, Alonso, Vettel over the past 25 years.

#8 darkkis

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:59

Alonso.

#9 yoyogetfunky

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:01

Chilton

#10 The Kanisteri

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:03

Alonso. Big gap till next one: Michael Schumacher

#11 ArkZ

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:13

Senna, Schumacher, Alonso, Vettel over the past 25 years.

fair comment :up:

#12 choyothe

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:13

Alonso.

#13 2ms

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:14

But would Alonso have done what Vettel did today?

#14 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:14

outrageous not to obey team orders to???

back in the days (2001) team order was outrageous!

glad VET did what he had to do.

Edited by SealTheDiffuser, 24 March 2013 - 11:17.


#15 choyothe

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:14

Alonso.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:15

Alonso

#17 choyothe

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:16

outrageous not to obey team orders to.

back in the days (2001) team order was outrageous!

glad VET did what he had to do.


Gotta respect all of the posters separately who see it like it is, so few there are. :up:

#18 rt99

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:16


Alonso ruthless? :rotfl: his driving doesnt put other drivers lives at risk like schumacher's did.

It has to be Vettel, because he seems to like running himself or other drivers close to the wall.



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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:18

On track? With intra-team politics? In general, based on the 2007 shenanigans, I'd have to agree with those who said Alonso. But I don't say this approvingly.

Of past drivers? I can't say; pretty much all drivers pulled some ruthless stunts from time to time. There surely are some 'ruthless' drivers at the back of the grid, too - though they're probably more likely to be known as crash-prone.

Edited by Nonesuch, 24 March 2013 - 11:20.


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#20 fatd

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:26

Senna, Schumacher, Alonso, Vettel over the past 25 years.


Yeah, agree with this.

#21 Lelouch

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:29

Senna, Schumacher, Alonso, Vettel over the past 25 years.

:up: Alonso is the best at masking it if you ask me. And the funniest one when he can take no more! :p

#22 fabr68

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:31

But would Alonso have done what Vettel did today?


No, he would have never given a hypocrite apology.

Edited by fabr68, 24 March 2013 - 11:32.


#23 trogggy

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:32

It isn't Alonso. He's one of the fairest / cleanest on-track, and I don't say that as a fan of his.


#24 Lelouch

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:35

It isn't Alonso. He's one of the fairest / cleanest on-track, and I don't say that as a fan of his.

I don't think the OP was focusing solely on on-track behaviour. Other than that I agree with you.

#25 choyothe

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:37

Alonso ruthless? :rotfl: his driving doesnt put other drivers lives at risk like schumacher's did.

It has to be Vettel, because he seems to like running himself or other drivers close to the wall.


Yes, as shown by Webber Schumachering him into the pitwall. :up:

#26 trogggy

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:38

I don't think the OP was focusing solely on on-track behaviour. Other than that I agree with you.

What I was trying to say was that FA's ruthlessness (for want of a better word) doesn't include on-track stuff, so he's not the most complete in that respect. :drunk:

Edited by trogggy, 24 March 2013 - 11:39.


#27 ZooL

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:39

Alonso.

#28 Smile17

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:40

To be honest, Alonso is way too emotional to be ruthless. I'd go for Schumacher.

#29 Lelouch

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:41

What I was trying to say was that FA's ruthlessness (for want of a better word) doesn't include on-track stuff, so he's not the most complete in that respect. :drunk:

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#30 scheivlak

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:41

It has to be Vettel, because he seems to like running himself or other drivers close to the wall.

Like when?

#31 InfectedPumpkin

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:41

Kovalainen ;)

#32 leojagpreet

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:45

Schumacher & Vettel

#33 apexpredator

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:47

Politically? Alonso by a mile. Closely followed by Prost (although that's circumstantial).

On the track, Schumacher.

#34 jj2728

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:47

Schumacher and Senna.
Noone else even comes close.


#35 JBonnierII

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:48

So, what does the names most mentioned in this thread have in common?

#36 Jejking

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:49

Today we see outrageous things like Vettel ignoring team orders bc he thinks he is by default always faster than his teammate. In other seasons we've seen things like driver blackmailing his team with threats of showing emails to Mosley. Other times we've seen drivers hold up their teammates in pitlane so they can't do another lap in qualifying.

People love a ruthless driver who will do whatever it takes to win.

Who's the most ruthless driver in F1 today?

Fixed that for you. Thank you.

On-track:

Schumacher / Senna (track action)

Coming up:

Vettel.

Off-track:

Alonso (politics)

It's not comparable.

Edited by Jejking, 24 March 2013 - 11:50.


#37 2ms

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:51

What I was trying to say was that FA's ruthlessness (for want of a better word) doesn't include on-track stuff, so he's not the most complete in that respect. :drunk:


So you feel Alonso is ruthless in PR and in the way he treats his team, but in racing he is more like Raikkonen, Button, etc. Vettel the more Senna type?

#38 jerriy

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:52

It takes extra outrageousness to hire BRIATORE of all people, in conspiring to subvert Ron Dennis WHILE working under him.

Edited by jerriy, 24 March 2013 - 12:01.


#39 trogggy

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:53

So you feel Alonso is ruthless in PR and in the way he treats his team, but in racing he is more like Raikkonen, Button, etc. Vettel the more Senna type?

Something like that - he's too fair on track to be Dick Dastardly is all I'm really saying.

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#40 sheepgobba

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:55

Alonso.

#41 apoka

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:57

Most of us only really know the top drivers. From those, I would tend to pick Alonso. Hamilton and Vettel are too busy apologizing. :)

#42 jesee

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:59

Alonso with Vettel a close second.

#43 SpartanChas

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:00

Alonso. He's at least up-front about it. No 'oh, I didn't realise what was going on, I'm sorry!' there.

#44 Jejking

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:01

So you feel Alonso is ruthless in PR and in the way he treats his team, but in racing he is more like Raikkonen, Button, etc. Vettel the more Senna type?

Ruthless in his mindset, but more clean and effective on-track than dirty/knife-edge stuff. Vettel is trying to be hardcore but can only pull it off with half-baked tricks like Australia 2011, Hockenheim 2012 and Monza 2012. Sometimes when he's in the same circumstances as others it works correctly and he has a VERY good move (divebomb at Sutil in Australia, outside pass at Barrichello in Brazil 2009, credits for that) but I think his mindset is wrong and he tends to push the boundaries beyond the rules where f.e. Schumacher was pretty much always closer to that AND more effective.

Edited by Jejking, 24 March 2013 - 12:03.


#45 Robertsf

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:02

Ruthless in his mindset, but more clean and effective on-track than dirty/knife-edge stuff. Vettel is trying to be hardcore but can only pull it off with half-baked tricks like Australia 2011, Hockenheim 2012 and Monza 2012. Sometimes it works correctly and he has a VERY good move (divebomb at Sutil in Australia, credits for that) but I think his mindset is wrong and he tends to push the boundaries beyond the rules where f.e. Schumacher was pretty much always closer to that AND more effective.

Schumacher, Alonso and Senna

#46 Robertsf

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:02

Ruthless in his mindset, but more clean and effective on-track than dirty/knife-edge stuff. Vettel is trying to be hardcore but can only pull it off with half-baked tricks like Australia 2011, Hockenheim 2012 and Monza 2012. Sometimes it works correctly and he has a VERY good move (divebomb at Sutil in Australia, credits for that) but I think his mindset is wrong and he tends to push the boundaries beyond the rules where f.e. Schumacher was pretty much always closer to that AND more effective.

Schumacher, Alonso and Senna

#47 Headspin

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:04

But would Alonso have done what Vettel did today?


You seriously think he'd have to do that? I think we've seen before, it just doesn't come to that with Fernando, it's much easier.

#48 jerriy

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:06

I totally differentiate between being an outrageous brat behind the wheels and being ruthless and manipulative "off the track".

#49 SpartanChas

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:09

Fernando also has the utmost respect of every other driver out there. Even Felipe. It's a lot easier to get your team-mate to play ball when they actually respect you, Webber is never going to play with Vettel again and it could end up biting Vettel in the ass.

#50 2ms

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:13

You seriously think he'd have to do that? I think we've seen before, it just doesn't come to that with Fernando, it's much easier.


Not sure what you mean by this. Vettel was issued team orders to let his teammate win and ignored them.