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#1 HistoryFan

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Posted 13 October 2015 - 19:31

At Sochi we had nine different teams in top-10 - the first time since Malaysia 2012.

 

Any more examples for 9 teams in top 10?



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#2 HistoryFan

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Posted 13 October 2015 - 19:35

On the starting grid we had three Spanish drivers on the last three places: Merhi, Alonso, Sainz.

 

The last time we had three drivers in the back from the same country was in Monaco 2001 with Bernoldi, Burti, Marques (Brazil)

 

More examples with three drivers from one nation on the last three grid positions?



#3 Jackmancer

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Posted 13 October 2015 - 19:48

On the starting grid we had three Spanish drivers on the last three places: Merhi, Alonso, Sainz.

 

The last time we had three drivers in the back from the same country was in Monaco 2001 with Bernoldi, Burti, Marques (Brazil)

 

More examples with three drivers from one nation on the last three grid positions?

 

Yup, the last 33 grid positions where once all taken by one country:
https://en.wikipedia...ndianapolis_500



#4 fridge46

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Posted 13 October 2015 - 19:53

How about 11 teams in the top 11? British Grand Prix 1981:

 

1 McLaren (Watson)

2 Williams (Reutemann)

3 Ligier (Laffite)

4 Tyrrell (Cheever)

5 Brabham (Rebaque)

6 ATS (Borgudd)

7 March (Daly)

8 Osella (Jarier)

9 Renault (Arnoux)

10 Arrows (Patrese)

11 Theodore (Surer)

 

You could continue with the retirements, depending where you draw the line

 

12R Alfa (Andretti)

13R Fittipaldi (Rosberg)

14DSQ Lotus (de Angelis)



#5 Cirio

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Posted 13 October 2015 - 19:53

Yup, the last 33 grid positions where once all taken by one country:
https://en.wikipedia...ndianapolis_500

I bet one of them pretended to be born in Hawaii and wouldn't produce his birth certificate. :)



#6 Marklar

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Posted 13 October 2015 - 19:53

Germany 1975, Great Britain 1981, Portugal 1989

All 10 of 10.

Edited by Marklar, 13 October 2015 - 19:54.


#7 HistoryFan

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Posted 14 October 2015 - 19:50

Interesting



#8 Rob G

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Posted 15 October 2015 - 00:00

On the starting grid we had three Spanish drivers on the last three places: Merhi, Alonso, Sainz.

 

The last time we had three drivers in the back from the same country was in Monaco 2001 with Bernoldi, Burti, Marques (Brazil)

 

More examples with three drivers from one nation on the last three grid positions?

Much more remarkable is that the ONLY three Spanish drivers on the grid were in the last three places. The 1961 US Grand Prix had four Americans at the back. I was shocked to learn that none of the South African GPs had three locals bringing up the rear. 



#9 Bleu

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Posted 15 October 2015 - 18:25

Italians had fair share of those:
 

1993 Brazil: De Cesaris, Barbazza, Alboreto

1993 South Africa (last four): de Cesaris, Barbazza, Alboreto, Badoer

1990 Japan: Caffi, Alboreto, de Cesaris

1990 Hungary (last five): Alboreto, Barilla, Tarquini, Larini, Caffi

1990 Britain (from 17th to 26th): Caffi, Martini, Pirro, Modena, Larini, Alliot (damn), de Cesaris, Barilla, Alboreto, Tarquini

1990 Canada: Capelli, de Cesaris, Caffi



#10 Spillage

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Posted 15 October 2015 - 18:30

To flip it: the first four finishers at the 1982 French Grand Prix were French: Arnoux, Prost, Pironi and Tambay. Not sure if that's a record, but I think it must be for a home race (excluding the Indy 500s, of course).

 

EDIT: As soon as I post that, I realise I'm wrong. The 1965 British GP had five British drivers in the top five: Clark, Hill, Surtees, Spence and Stewart.


Edited by Spillage, 15 October 2015 - 18:32.


#11 OO7

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Posted 15 October 2015 - 18:46

I may be wrong about the following, so please correct me if I am:

 

Lewis Hamilton, Sebastian Vettel and Fernando Alonso are generally considered by most, as the best three drivers in F1 at present.  They have all only lost out to a team mate over the course of a season once and during the year that they were beaten, they were all 26 years old at some point.

 

26, 26 and 26.  I count three 6's there, that must be a sign.  :lol:



#12 Marklar

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Posted 15 October 2015 - 18:53

I may be wrong about the following, so please correct me if I am:

Lewis Hamilton, Sebastian Vettel and Fernando Alonso are generally considered by most, as the best three drivers in F1 at present. They have all only lost out to a team mate over the course of a season once and during the year that they were beaten, they were all 26 years old at some point.

26, 26 and 26. I count three 6's there, that must be a sign. :lol:

Alonso has also lost in his debut season though (equal points like in his Hamilton defeat)

#13 MasterOfCoin

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Posted 15 October 2015 - 19:07

Lewis Hamilton has won more races using a Mercedes engine than any other diver....42 races.



#14 Collombin

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Posted 15 October 2015 - 20:32

The only important crazy stat for Lewis fans is how close he is to shattering an old Senna record.

If, as seems inevitable, he soon takes win number 44, it will be by far the highest numbered example in WDC history of a driver winning their xth race in car number x.

Furthermore, although many drivers have done it at some point, only one driver has ever done it more than once (this driver did it 3 times in fact). Lewis did it once in 2007, and will therefore become only the second driver to do it more than once.

Stats. Important stuff.

#15 Spillage

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Posted 15 October 2015 - 20:39

I think I remember somebody (was it Ensign?) once posting that Maldonado is the only driver ever to have scored points in car number 13. Perhaps that explains a lot...



#16 Laura23

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 01:28

I still find it mad that Jacques Villeneuve and Michael Schumacher managed to avoid sharing a podium in 1997.  The only race that neither finished in the top 3 was Italy.



#17 Marklar

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 04:49

What I find mad is that the great drivers of this generation (Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton) just shared three times the podium together (USA 2012, Canada 2013, Belgium 2013).

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 11:29

What I find mad is that the great drivers of this generation (Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton) just shared three times the podium together (USA 2012, Canada 2013, Belgium 2013).

 

Yes, I remember at the US GP 2012 I was astonished that it was the first time they were together on the podium. At that time, they shared 5 WDCs already (now 8 and they will almost certainly reach 10).



#19 OO7

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 12:42

How many times did Senna, Prost and Mansell or Senna, Prost and Piquet fill the podium positions?



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#20 OO7

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 12:44

Alonso has also lost in his debut season though (equal points like in his Hamilton defeat)

Thanks.

 

It would have to be Fernando to put a spanner in the works.



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 12:45

Everytime Sergio Perez has been on the podium, he shared it with Lewis.



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 13:14

In Sochi, Nico Rosberg achieved his 18th Pole Position. That ties him with René Arnoux as a driver with most Pole Positions, but without having ever been a World Champion.



#23 Marklar

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 13:20

How many times did Senna, Prost and Mansell or Senna, Prost and Piquet fill the podium positions?

Senna/Prost/Mansell: 7 (Italy 1991, France 1991, Portugal 1990, Belgium 1989, Germany 1989, Spain 1986, Belgium 1985)

Senna/Prost/Piquet: 6 (USA 1991, Australia 1988, San Marino 1988, Hungary 1987, USA 1987, Italy 1985)



#24 Dan333SP

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 13:25

Probably commonly known, but the 1993 Spanish GP podium (Prost, Senna, Schumacher in that order) featured 14 current and future world titles between the 3 men.

 

Who knows, maybe the Alonso/Vettel/Hamilton podium will end up featuring more one day? They're at 9 combined titles now (assuming Lewis or Vettel wins this season, which is all but a lock).



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 13:26

Button has had 3 worse scoring seasons than the season he is having this year.  :eek:

 

Granted, under different points systems...


Edited by johnmhinds, 16 October 2015 - 13:28.


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Posted 16 October 2015 - 13:27

HAM the first British driver to defend his title.



#27 Dan333SP

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 13:28

Button has had 3 worse seasons than the season he is having this year.  :eek:

 

Of those 4 seasons, only 1 wasn't powered by Honda :stoned:



#28 Marklar

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 13:33

In Sochi, Nico Rosberg achieved his 18th Pole Position. That ties him with René Arnoux as a driver with most Pole Positions, but without having ever been a World Champion.

Nico Rosberg is also one front row start short from topping the list of the most successfull non-WDC here. He is already (by a margin) the non-WDC with the most consecutive front row starts (12) and podiums (9).



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 13:35

I always was impressed about the length of Schumachers domination of F1. The guy was the reigning champion between 8 October 2000 and 25 September 2005. That's an ABSOLUTELY CRAZY 1800+ days, fits nicely into this topic :clap:



#30 Dan333SP

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 14:20

I always was impressed about the length of Schumachers domination of F1. The guy was the reigning champion between 8 October 2000 and 25 September 2005. That's an ABSOLUTELY CRAZY 1800+ days, fits nicely into this topic :clap:

 

He was also very, very close to winning the 1997 and 1998 titles, and if not for a broken leg in '99 may well have won that one. That could have been another 1,095 consecutive days on top of 2000-2005.



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 14:33

Vettel collected in Russia already his 11 podium this season. That's even more than in his title years 2010 and 2012 (both 10 times)



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 14:40

He was also very, very close to winning the 1997 and 1998 titles, and if not for a broken leg in '99 may well have won that one. That could have been another 1,095 consecutive days on top of 2000-2005.

 

And if he had never returned to his winning ways after Silverstone 1999...



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 14:41

Button has had 3 worse scoring seasons than the season he is having this year.  :eek:

 

Granted, under different points systems...

To be fair some of those Honda chassis were absolute dogs despite having one of the best engines on the grid (ironically unlike today's breed of Honda...)



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 14:42

Vettel collected in Russia already his 11 podium this season. That's even more than in his title years 2010 and 2012 (both 10 times)

 

If anyone ever beats Schumacher's podium count, it'll be Vettel.

But I don't know about the wins though.



#35 Marklar

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 14:43

My favourite stat is that a country has never managed to win at the same year the football world cup and the F1 drivers world championship....Thats why the gods didnt allowed Alonso to win 2010....Lewis will be thankfull for this stat though


Edited by Marklar, 16 October 2015 - 14:45.


#36 jcbc3

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 14:50

Yup, the last 33 grid positions where once all taken by one country:
https://en.wikipedia...ndianapolis_500


Using this post as springboard to go even more OT:

Smith is the most common surname in USA. There has never been a driver racing the Indy 500 named as such (according to Wikipedia).

#37 Dan333SP

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 15:15

Using this post as springboard to go even more OT:

Smith is the most common surname in USA. There has never been a driver racing the Indy 500 named as such (according to Wikipedia).

 

That actually just blew my mind. It also made me chuckle thinking about the NFL quarterback Alex Smith which has to be the most generic name for a professional athlete in the country. Sounds like a placeholder in a video game or something.



#38 Dan333SP

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 15:21

Stats on team evolution (buyouts and re-naming, ect.) have always interested me.

 

Anyone know the most number of name changes for a single team that can reasonably be connected to prior iterations? I'm thinking of something like Tyrell > BAR > Honda > Brawn GP > Mercedes AMG. Is that the record for team evolution?



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 15:27

If anyone ever beats Schumacher's podium count, it'll be Vettel.

But I don't know about the wins though.

 

I just did Vettel and Hamilton as they are the only realistic ones probably. Based on their percentages so far how many GPs (years) do they need to break Schumachers records and how old would they'll be?

 

Wins

Record by Schumacher (91)

- Vettel 42 (in 154 GPs): 180 GPs (9 years). 37 years old

- Hamilton 42 (in 163 GPs): 190 GPs (9.5 years). 39 years old

 

Pole position

Record by Schumacher (68)

- Hamilton 49 (in 163 GPs): 63 GPs (3 years) 33 years old

- Vettel 46 (in 154 GPs): 74 GPs (3.5 years) 32 years old

 

Podiums

Record by Schumacher (155)

- Hamilton 83 (in 163 GPs): 141 GPs (7 years). 37 years old.

- Vettel 77 (in 154 GPs): 156 GPs (8 years). 36 years old


Edited by Marklar, 16 October 2015 - 15:27.


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#40 Gareth

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 15:34

Stats on team evolution (buyouts and re-naming, ect.) have always interested me.

 

Anyone know the most number of name changes for a single team that can reasonably be connected to prior iterations? I'm thinking of something like Tyrell > BAR > Honda > Brawn GP > Mercedes AMG. Is that the record for team evolution?

Enstone could match it next season if the Lotus team goes through: Toleman > Benetton > Renault > Lotus > Renault



#41 OO7

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 15:35

I just did Vettel and Hamilton as they are the only realistic ones probably. Based on their percentages so far how many GPs (years) do they need to break Schumachers records and how old would they'll be?

 

Wins

Record by Schumacher (91)

- Vettel 42 (in 154 GPs): 180 GPs (9 years). 37 years old

- Hamilton 42 (in 163 GPs): 190 GPs (9.5 years). 39 years old

 

Pole position

Record by Schumacher (68)

- Hamilton 49 (in 163 GPs): 63 GPs (3 years) 33 years old

- Vettel 46 (in 154 GPs): 74 GPs (3.5 years) 32 years old

 

Podiums

Record by Schumacher (155)

- Hamilton 83 (in 163 GPs): 141 GPs (7 years). 37 years old.

- Vettel 77 (in 154 GPs): 156 GPs (8 years). 36 years old

Eat your heart out Sean Kelly!



#42 Atreiu

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 15:36

You're right. But I don't see Hamilton racing until his late 30s or Mercedes maintaining dominance and winning form for such a long time (as Ferrari did between 2000 and 2006, 2005 excluded obviously).



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 15:40

Yep, I'm almost certain that both will beat him on poles (probably far before my calculations). Booth have good chances on podiums. And on wins Vettel has chances but just with a lot luck.



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 15:43

I just did Vettel and Hamilton as they are the only realistic ones probably. Based on their percentages so far how many GPs (years) do they need to break Schumachers records and how old would they'll be?

 

Wins

Record by Schumacher (91)

- Vettel 42 (in 154 GPs): 180 GPs (9 years). 37 years old

- Hamilton 42 (in 163 GPs): 190 GPs (9.5 years). 39 years old

 

Pole position

Record by Schumacher (68)

- Hamilton 49 (in 163 GPs): 63 GPs (3 years) 33 years old

- Vettel 46 (in 154 GPs): 74 GPs (3.5 years) 32 years old

 

Podiums

Record by Schumacher (155)

- Hamilton 83 (in 163 GPs): 141 GPs (7 years). 37 years old.

- Vettel 77 (in 154 GPs): 156 GPs (8 years). 36 years old

Nice, just a small correction: In 9.5 years, Lewis will be 40. I'll still be a relatively sprightly 27, as will young Max. 



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 15:45

Nice, just a small correction: In 9.5 years, Lewis will be 40. I'll still be a relatively sprightly 27, as will young Max. 

F%"!-off!



#46 Marklar

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 15:50

Nice, just a small correction: In 9.5 years, Lewis will be 40. I'll still be a relatively sprightly 27, as will young Max.

Thats also shocking: Verstappen will be than in his 10th F1 season, a real veteran, probably the most experienced driver on the grid - and just 27 years old...

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 15:50

Yep, I'm almost certain that both will beat him on poles (probably far before my calculations). Booth have good chances on podiums. And on wins Vettel has chances but just with a lot luck.

 

That kind of highlights how impressive MSC's win total is. Sure, he had dominant cars in 2002 and 2004, but for a lot of the rest of his career he was winning lots of races in a car that wasn't the outright fastest on the grid. Then again, there is the Pirelli factor that hurts Lewis there, in 2013 he had a bunch of poles but only 1 win because the car ate tyres, something that wouldn't have happened in MSC's day when pole-sitting cars typically had the raceday advantage as well.



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 15:56

Thats also shocking: Verstappen will be than in his 10th F1 season, a real veteran, probably the most experienced driver on the grid - and just 27 years old...

 

And he continues his F1 career till age of 34, he'll be driving Formula 1 for more than half of his life... :D



#49 Marklar

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 16:01

Regarding the team evolution question

Tyrell - BAR - Honda - Brawn - Mercedes = 5
Toleman - Benetton - Renault - Lotus = 4
Jordan - Midland - Spyker - Force India = 4
Stewart - Jaguar - RBR = 3
Sauber - BMW - Sauber = 3
Minardi - Toro Rosso = 2
Virgin - Marussua = 2


Hounarable mention...
Politoys - Iso - Williams - Wolf

#50 BRG

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 16:13

HAM the first British driver to defend his title.

True, but for 12 years - 1958 to 1969 - the WDC were all English speakers.

 

Using this post as springboard to go even more OT:

Smith is the most common surname in USA. There has never been a driver racing the Indy 500 named as such (according to Wikipedia).

AFAIK no driver called Smith has ever raced in F1.