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#1 Anja

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 10:25

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A lot of discussion still going on in the 2018 Renault thread, mostly concerning 2019. So we might as well get this going already, launch date was enough for the McLaren gang to create a new thread so why should we be any worse?  :p

 

Come along for all the arguments about how Renault will or will not close the gap to top teams and stay to cheer the success or wallow in despair as the season unfolds. 



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#2 rootten

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 10:49

Obviously there are optimistic noises about gains on the engine side, which can make for an exciting year

 

I personally will be following how the below stories will develop over the next year, with a great interest:

 

- How will Renaul fare agianst McLaren? I think Renault should have it in the bag, giving that McLaren are just at the beggining of their restructurizing process.

- How well will be RBR doing? Are they going to challenge for the WDC right from the start? I think not

- Will the gap to the Mercedes be significantly reduced? I hope so.

- How will Vettel cope with Leclerc and who will be quicker. That's not related to current topic but I'm super interested to see how this will go


Edited by rootten, 11 January 2019 - 10:50.


#3 Alburaq

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 11:48

Will they add white to the livery? https://shop.renault...pour-homme.html

 
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Edited by Alburaq, 11 January 2019 - 11:49.


#4 Neno

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 11:53

Wouldnt be bad choice. I personally feel current scheme needs variety. Car can sometime look too black from certain angles. Specially the rear. If done right car could look amazing, but also bad. White with yellow and black must be done right way. 


Edited by Neno, 11 January 2019 - 11:55.


#5 DILLIGAF

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 11:57

Maybe they're going back to the early 80's by adding some white.

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Edited by DILLIGAF, 11 January 2019 - 11:58.


#6 Ivanhoe

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:01

Will they add white to the livery?

Would be nice. Back to the eighties.

Edit: DILLGAF beat me to it :-)

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Edited by Ivanhoe, 11 January 2019 - 12:03.


#7 Neno

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:01

Maybe they're going back to the early 80's by adding some white.

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now this is best example why white can look bad if not done right. this on other hand are two examples of looking nice

https://cdn-6.motors...-team-re60b.jpg

http://c1.staticflic...4191f6121_b.jpg


Edited by Neno, 11 January 2019 - 12:02.


#8 Ivanhoe

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:04

now this is best example why white can look bad if not done right. this on other hand are two examples of looking nice
https://cdn-6.motors...-team-re60b.jpg
http://c1.staticflic...4191f6121_b.jpg

Matter of taste, don’t really like the livery of the RE60

Edited by Ivanhoe, 11 January 2019 - 12:07.


#9 phrank

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:06

They should go back to the RS16 livery being all yellow, if you ask me, the black car of the last season looked horrible and anonymous.



#10 Alburaq

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:16

A good excuse to post some cool old pics 

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#11 Alburaq

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:18

The 2018 "black" livery was very popular and well received though.



#12 Alburaq

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:22

Those shirts remind me of this pic

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Edited by Alburaq, 11 January 2019 - 12:24.


#13 phrank

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:48

The 2018 "black" livery was very popular and well received though.

Was it? Its strange to me for a team that keeps referring to themselves as being 'yellow' to paint they car predominantly black. I love those pictures with the old liveries, everybody can see at a glance those are Renaults



#14 Francesc

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:51

Beautiful cab and trailer Alburaq.



#15 Neno

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 17:11

Was it? Its strange to me for a team that keeps referring to themselves as being 'yellow' to paint they car predominantly black. I love those pictures with the old liveries, everybody can see at a glance those are Renaults

Car looked too black for being called distinct "yellow" car. It was yellow only from certain angles, but if camera was position from bird perspective or from rear view it was predominantly black car. Balance wasnt right. If they are introducing white it could help a balance and even better livery design. 


Edited by Neno, 11 January 2019 - 17:11.


#16 shonguiz

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 17:31

This year, no more ****ing around. Anything less than clear number 4 and slashed time gap at the end of the season will be a failure.



#17 goldenboy

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 06:51

Would be nice. Back to the eighties.

Edit: DILLGAF beat me to it :-)

f1-brazilian-gp-1983-alain-prost-renault

f1-monaco-gp-1983-alain-prost-renault-re

f1-french-gp-1984-patrick-tambay-renault

I liiiiike it

#18 DILLIGAF

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 09:18

Matter of taste, don’t really like the livery of the RE60


Agree it's a matter of taste Ivanhoe. Personally I loved the RE50. Showing my age but I thought it was really nice.

Edited by DILLIGAF, 12 January 2019 - 09:21.


#19 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 10:27

I doubt they can close a one to one and a half second gap to the three front runners in only one winter. The regulation changes are too small for that. But anything less than a clear fourth will be a disappointment.

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#20 MortenF1

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 20:11

Close it I dont think anyone is expecting. Simply not realistic but haven’t Renault said they aim to halve the gap?

#21 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 20:21

Wouldnt be bad choice. I personally feel current scheme needs variety. Car can sometime look too black from certain angles. Specially the rear. If done right car could look amazing, but also bad. White with yellow and black must be done right way. 

 

Renault are unique, in that they always seemed to have a new livery every season.  Some sleek designs, others a bit fussy.

 

I hope their 2019 livery looks something like this. 

 

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#22 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 20:24

Was it? Its strange to me for a team that keeps referring to themselves as being 'yellow' to paint they car predominantly black.

 

Meanwhile their new factory is mostly painted white!   :drunk:  I wonder why they didn't splash out on yellow paint all over?

 

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#23 phrank

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 22:35

Renault are unique, in that they always seemed to have a new livery every season.  Some sleek designs, others a bit fussy.

 

I hope their 2019 livery looks something like this. 

 

 

 

:love:

I loved the Red Team/Blue Team what they had going on in that era.

 

@V8 Indeed, Renault seems to be confused and inconsistent about their branding



#24 DILLIGAF

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 22:35

Close it I dont think anyone is expecting. Simply not realistic but haven’t Renault said they aim to halve the gap?


Yep. IIRC they're looking to halve the gap in qualy, not get lapped during races and maintain 4th in the constructors in 2019.

#25 Alburaq

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Posted 13 January 2019 - 07:04

Yes phrank, the 2018 livery won/finished on the podium in many "best livery" polls I saw.
Wasnt my favorite Renault livery though.
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Full yellow
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Some infos/hints about the 2019 car (Abiteboul in march 2018)

 

"I do believe that this car is that of a team under construction. We did not fully express ourselves, we did not put all our ideas, for lack of time rather than means. I give you a specific example: when Pete Machin (aero manager) joined us last year, he obviously observed the car 2017, then the changes we had planned. Then he looked very quickly at the car of 2018 and immediately he spotted specific items that were unsuitable. And among them, some had already been fixed, the calculations were already frozen. Indeed, we started in October 2016, because the construction programs of an F1 are so complex today that we are forced to work earlier and earlier. There are, in fact, elements that are not modifiable en route. Second example: the gearbox. This is our first carbon. We have not been able to put all the innovations that are available to us as we speak, these innovations which McLaren has"[/size]
 
"I think it's hard for us in winter to produce a car that lives up to our expectations for the start of the season and there's a reason for that, but I'm sure we'll be able to make progress in this area as well. coming years."
"The investments and extension of our infrastructures are made, we have completed the part dedicated to engineering and design and we are doing the electronics before moving on to production."
"We are far behind in terms of production and we have difficulties developing a car that is immediately at the level of our expectations.One of the reasons for this is at the level of our production infrastructure, we are slower. "
"The problem is that we have to produce a car with this level of sophistication, and we need a very integrated model, not like Force India or Haas, which, without being controversial, is a different model. to become a high-tech team, and we need integrated development, which takes time to build space, infrastructure, and the world, and that will be our next step. "
"Right now, we're focused on engineering, like the aero, the performance of our car, the simulator, all of that is done or going to be done, and then we'll get into the production unit to reduce production time to reach our ambitions, especially given the complexity of modern F1 cars. "


Edited by Alburaq, 13 January 2019 - 08:07.