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#1 TomNokoe

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 08:10

Today is the day!

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#2 TheGoldenStoffel

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 08:20

Today is the day!

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Excited! But i've already seen a thing I don't like, the swan neck rear wing support. Hopefully there isn't a drs actuator hiding there.



#3 Bloggsworth

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 08:23

All a complete waste of time and money if they keep those garage roof sized front wings.



#4 Henri Greuter

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 08:37

Excited! But i've already seen a thing I don't like, the swan neck rear wing support. Hopefully there isn't a drs actuator hiding there.


I am afraid that with the current speeds and corner speeds, we simply will need DRS to artificially create a large enough speed difference between two cars to enable overtaking. Or whatever other artificial manner that has as primary effect that it artificially enlarges the speed difference between two cars.

#5 TomNokoe

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 09:15

I do like the look of the teaser. Shorter wheelbase coupled with shrunken aero seems to have done a good job at significantly reducing length.

They're still too long, but you can actually tell the difference. And yes, it's only a teaser.



#6 Beri

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 10:19

I like the mid 90s style noses that are proposed.

#7 TheGoldenStoffel

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 11:14

They woke me up this morning with their "coming soon" push notification thingy but apparently they will do some form of presentation in Austin today, does anybody know at what time that will be? 



#8 Kalmake

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 11:15

I guess we were expecting it at this point, but still sad to see DRS device in the teaser.



#9 Beri

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 11:57

I guess we were expecting it at this point, but still sad to see DRS device in the teaser.


I think it's the shape of the endplate. Not the DRS device.

#10 PedroDiCasttro

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 12:24

I sincerely hope they ditch the DRS. Please!



#11 Marklar

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 12:41

1700 Austin
2200 UK (live on Sky Sports F1)

2300 Europe

Wasnt it 11 am local?

I thought the Sky Sport Special was just a summary of it?

Edit: yup

https://twitter.com/...634826132951042

 

https://twitter.com/...610318546264064


Edited by Marklar, 31 October 2019 - 12:46.


#12 PayasYouRace

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 12:49

I am afraid that with the current speeds and corner speeds, we simply will need DRS to artificially create a large enough speed difference between two cars to enable overtaking. Or whatever other artificial manner that has as primary effect that it artificially enlarges the speed difference between two cars.


DRS wouldn’t be needed if the aero is sorted out. It’s not about speeds or cornering speeds but about how the downforce is generated.

#13 Beri

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 13:08

So 17.00 CET then. Im postponing my dinner plans me thinks.. I want to see this. If there is an actual feed to the presentation that is.



#14 F1Lurker

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 13:08

DRS wouldn’t be needed if the aero is sorted out. It’s not about speeds or cornering speeds but about how the downforce is generated.

My reference for this is Karting. The cars are basically identical but there are lots of overtakes. This happens because the aero (or lack of aero) is such that the following car does not have to carry a handling/performance deficit.

 

But who knows, lets see how things are in 2021.

 

For DRS, I recall Brawn saying that the 2021 cars will be DRS capable but that DRS would only be enabled if needed.



#15 TheGoldenStoffel

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 13:23

So 17.00 CET then. Im postponing my dinner plans me thinks.. I want to see this. If there is an actual feed to the presentation that is.

 

You can watch it here:

https://www.youtube....h?v=3JddVHuPmCM



#16 TomNokoe

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 13:28

Wasnt it 11 am local?

I thought the Sky Sport Special was just a summary of it?

Edit: yup

https://twitter.com/...634826132951042

 

https://twitter.com/...610318546264064


Sorry!



#17 Henri Greuter

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 13:34

DRS wouldn’t be needed if the aero is sorted out. It’s not about speeds or cornering speeds but about how the downforce is generated.


Sorry but I don't buy that, there is more than that

The faster cars are and the faster they can go through a turn, the less opportunity to create enough of a speed difference to enable overtaking. And the faster cars go, the more power is needed to create a speed difference of a given value.

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 14:39

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Good to see that they've included mounting points for side-lights and indicators at the front...



#19 OO7

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 14:41

DRS wouldn’t be needed if the aero is sorted out. It’s not about speeds or cornering speeds but about how the downforce is generated.

I think DRS would still be needed on some circuits, even if the aero loss on a chasing car was zero.

 

 

Sorry but I don't buy that, there is more than that

The faster cars are and the faster they can go through a turn, the less opportunity to create enough of a speed difference to enable overtaking. And the faster cars go, the more power is needed to create a speed difference of a given value.

I disagree with that if the slipstream effect is similar to what we see today that would be sufficient to create an adequate speed difference (assuming similar engine performance and a reasonable circuit).



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#20 SenorSjon

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 14:41

And mounting points for the brake coolers while in pit.

 

I love the extraordinairy effort they made to make the halo less obtrusive. It has a color now.  :(



#21 rodlamas

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 15:08

I wonder if there will be so more Engine + PU freedom and if they will lower minimum weight.



#22 TomNokoe

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:00



#23 Marklar

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:02

Jean Todt is literally me at video conferences

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Edited by Marklar, 31 October 2019 - 16:06.


#24 TomNokoe

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:04

New front wing looks different, not just the endplates


Edited by TomNokoe, 31 October 2019 - 16:04.


#25 statman

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:04

this Jean Todt segment looks really low budget  :D



#26 milestone 11

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:05

OK, others have seen :up:

#27 NorthEast

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:06

Looks good.

#28 Marklar

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:07

Oh ffs

 

 

 

Meanwhile, in a significant change, parc ferme conditions will now exist from the start of FP3, rather than qualifying, with teams having to return the car to the specification it was in when it was scrutineered ahead of FP1.

Why’s that important? Because it means that, if a team brings a test item to a weekend, they’ll either have to commit to running that item all weekend, or else run it in one or both Free Practice 1 and 2 sessions before taking it off the car and saving it for the next event – another measure to slow down the rate of in-season development.

https://www.formula1...lAVeVeydyS.html
 

also

 

 

 

And although DRS is set to continue on the cars in 2021, the new regulations should help restore that ‘go-karting’ mentality in the drivers, allowing them to race hard to close up to their rivals, before then taking pride in pulling off more spectacular, on-the-limit moves to claim positions – while the number of overtakes per race should increase as well. All that means that driver skill, more than technology, will come right to the forefront of Formula 1 racing.

 

 

The race weekend is set for a major revision, too, with the drivers’ press conference and pre-weekend media interviews now set to take place on a Friday (as opposed to Thursday), before Free Practices 1 and 2 are then run later in the day, with the schedule for FP3, qualifying and the race then unchanged.

 

 

From 2021, all of the teams on the grid will have to run a driver with two Grands Prix' or less experience in at least two free practice sessions per season – meaning we get a chance to see the new generation of talent shine on a Grand Prix weekend, whether that’s behind the wheel of a Racing Point, a Renault or a Red Bull.

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#29 Jvr

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:11

That's insane. The only cost sensible place and time to test new parts is during the race weekends.



#30 TomNokoe

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:13

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#31 Tiakumosan

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:14

Will have to test parts for future races, or go with new not tested on track parts.

#32 TomNokoe

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:14

It's all quite ... swoopy



#33 balage06

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:15

Williams' rendition looks more... interesting

https://twitter.com/...6251136/photo/3



#34 TomNokoe

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:18

Williams' rendition looks more... interesting

https://twitter.com/...6251136/photo/3

Isn't that just the same model with a new livery?



#35 Jvr

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:19

I guess those silly looking FW end plates will help to follow the car in front / reduce the wake to the one behind.

 

But they just look absurdly large and tall right now.



#36 noikeee

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:20

Not entirely sure about the parc ferme thing, but their reasoning makes some sense and at first glance all looks good otherwise.



#37 TomNokoe

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:20

The octo-exhaust/McLaren 2011 sidepods are back :lol:


Edited by TomNokoe, 31 October 2019 - 16:22.


#38 Marklar

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:21

Either there is a ridiculous amount of F1 fans or the FIA website is weak af



#39 Jordan44

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:21

I'm all for it as long as there is still a decent amount of technical freedom.



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#40 Starish

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:22

Cars are too heavy. 



#41 P0inters

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:23

How have they managed to make the cars even heavier ? As if they weren't already heavy enough for goodness sake



#42 SagemX

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:24

Higher percentage of renewables in the fuel going forward, going by some road car manufacturers, that can even make the engines more powerful



#43 statman

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:25

hydraulic suspension banned



#44 Starish

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:26

I don't understand how tyre blankets are a cost saving measure. 



#45 screamingV16

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:28

Looks like a big bag of meh. Hideous air intake and laughable hubcaps, disregard the FIA guff, expect more of the same :lol:  .



#46 SagemX

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:28

I don't understand how tyre blankets are a cost saving measure. 

Tyre blankets cost money to make, transport and use, they want to get rid of them to reduce that cost



#47 MinardiCrashDummy

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:28

Go-karting mentality when ovetaking.

 

Yeah that's not going to happen while the cars still weigh a ton.



#48 Marklar

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:31

25 races confirmed  :rolleyes:



#49 SagemX

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:32

The Renault livery looks pretty good



#50 PedroDiCasttro

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 16:32

25 races!!!!! WTF

 

I guess many people in the teams won't have any personal lives outside f1.


Edited by PedroDiCasttro, 31 October 2019 - 16:33.