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#1 Marklar

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 18:06

Since Silly Season 2020 is pretty much wrapped up and everyone already talks about 2021 let's start the 2021 Silly Season thread. A little overview as of today:

Mercedes: Recently it looks like both Mercedes and Hamilton want to continue with each other, which given Wolff's stance on harmony should rule out Verstappen, realistically. But many things can change in a year. Bottas being retained seems also not unlikely, since Russell has still another year on his Williams contract, and is unlikely to be able to show more in 2020 than he already did in 2019. Recently Wolff has also said that Mercedes will likely continue in F1 too.

Ferrari: Leclerc has a contract till 2022 and will likely extent it soon enough. The questionmark is the 2nd seat: Binotto has recently mentioned that Ferrari will prefer to have a Mercedes-esque set-up in the future. Whether drivers like Vettel, Ricciardo or even Hamilton, Verstappen fit to this description is remained to be seen.

Red Bull: The signs of the Verstappen camp indicate more and more that Verstappen will more likely stay. Possibly the options are just missing or Red Bull's performance in 2020 will determine his decision. Should he leave the most likely options to replace him are probably Ricciardo & Vettel. It's also not impossible that either of them returns to Red Bull alongside Verstappen should Albon fail to make an impression. Marko has stated that Red Bull will continue in F1 if Honda does, which seems likely.

McLaren: In all likehood the current pairing will stay on (length of their current contracts is unknown), however it's not impossible that either of them ends up getting an offer from an top team as the 2nd driver (at Ferrari?) should they deliver a impressive season. Should either of them leave it's not clear who would replace them. In recent years McLaren has often promoted their own young drivers, but except of the IndyCar guys (who are missing super licence points anyways) they currently dont have any who could be serously considered. The team will make a switch from Renault to Mercedes engines.

Renault: The future of the team itself is a big questionmark, should they stay however Ocon has a contract for 2021 already. Ricciardo extending will heavily depend on the team' development and his options. Besides established drivers F2 driver Zhou could be an option. Should there be desire for a pure French team Gasly and Grosjean might be high up on the list.

Racing Point: Perez has a contract till 2022 and it's also unlikely that Stroll would kick out his son. Unlikely that anything will change here.

Alpha Tauri: Vips and Tsunoda could with a good season end up being promoted, and it's not impossible that Albon will get demoted. Kvyat would be most likely first to go in that case, if not both.

Alfa: If Kimi retires Alfa would need a new team leader to support whichever Ferrari junior will end up in the car (most likely Schumacher, but Shwartzman and Armstrong could also have a shot). Hulkenberg could be a option for that. Or maybe it will be Giovinazzi himself? There were also recently rumours about a switch to Honda engines and the exit of the Alfa brand.

Haas: The future of the team is very uncertain. Should they stay there probably arent many options besides the current drivers if the team continues to struggle. Ferrari juniors if Steiner gives up the requirement for experienced drivers could be an option. As well as possible Toro Rosso rejects and whoever else ends up without a seat.

Williams: Russell has a contract till 2021, unless Mercedes snatches him up he will most likely stay until then. Latifi will most likely be hired for 2020 and I guess beyond.

Edited by Marklar, 12 November 2019 - 18:10.


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#2 Joseki

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 18:12

My prediction

 

Mercedes: Alonso Alonso

Ferrari: Alonso Alonso

Red Bull: Alonso Alonso

McLaren: Alonso Alonso

Renault: Alonso Alonso

Alpha Tauri: Alonso Alonso

Racing Point: Alonso Alonso

Alfa Romeo: Alonso Alonso

Haas: Alonso Alonso

Williams: Alonso Alonso


Edited by Joseki, 12 November 2019 - 18:13.


#3 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 18:23

With rule changes coming up for 2021, I think a lot of teams will want to keep their line up when possible. I wouldn’t even rule out yet another Grosjean extension because of that :lol:

#4 TomNokoe

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 18:33

I am confident of two things only:

Kimi will retire
Ricciardo will leave Renault

#5 Anja

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 18:34

My prediction

 

Mercedes: Alonso Alonso

Ferrari: Alonso Alonso

Red Bull: Alonso Alonso

McLaren: Alonso Alonso

Renault: Alonso Alonso

Alpha Tauri: Alonso Alonso

Racing Point: Alonso Alonso

Alfa Romeo: Alonso Alonso

Haas: Alonso Alonso

Williams: Alonso Alonso

 

I'd say that this takes care of the Alonso mention quota for this thread but we all know it won't end here. 



#6 David Lightman

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 18:48

My prediction

 

Mercedes: Alonso Alonso

Ferrari: Alonso Alonso

Red Bull: Alonso Alonso

McLaren: Alonso Alonso

Renault: Alonso Alonso

Alpha Tauri: Alonso Alonso

Racing Point: Alonso Alonso

Alfa Romeo: Alonso Alonso

Haas: Alonso Alonso

Williams: Alonso Alonso

Surely JEV should fill all of these seats?



#7 Viryfan

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 18:51

https://www.autospor...021-not-a-given

 

Mercedes staying in F1 not a given....

 

Basically saying what Abiteboule said in Mexico for Renault.

 

Negotiations going full swing....



#8 David Lightman

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 19:44

Makes a change from Ferrari or Red Bull coming out with this tedious bo||ocks.



#9 BRG

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 19:57

My prediction

 

Mercedes: Alonso JEV

Ferrari:Hulkenberg Vandoorne

Red Bull: Hartley Bourdais

McLaren: Kubica di Resta

Renault: Sutil Kovalainen

Alpha Tauri: Nasr Ericsson

Racing Point: Kobayashi Maldonado

Alfa Romeo: Palmer Chilton

Haas: Gutierrez Sirotkin

Williams: Wehrlein Harayanto


Edited by BRG, 12 November 2019 - 19:58.


#10 sopa

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 19:59

2021 silly season has the potential to be the most interesting one in a good while.... or not. There is of course some uncertainty around which teams will participate and how would the new commercial agreement look like from 2021 onwards.

 

As for drivers, the first pieces of dominoes are really Verstappen and Hamilton. Once their future gets clarified, the rest will fall in their place. Vettel is next one up, who has to make up his mind whether he wants to continue, and it will be highly dependent on how his 2020 season unfolds.



#11 WilliamsF1Fan

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 20:00

Makes a change from Ferrari or Red Bull coming out with this tedious bo||ocks.

 

Give them time!



#12 eibyyz

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 20:23

https://images.app.g...auVFdYHXfbgfbz6My prediction

 

Mercedes: Alonso Alonso

Ferrari: Alonso Alonso

Red Bull: Alonso Alonso

McLaren: Alonso Alonso

Renault: Alonso Alonso

Alpha Tauri: Alonso Alonso

Racing Point: Alonso Alonso

Alfa Romeo: Alonso Alonso

Haas: Alonso Alonso

Williams: Alonso Alonso

 

Kristian Alonso?  This was an inspiration of mine about 35 years ago...https://images.app.g...auVFdYHXfbgfbz6


Edited by eibyyz, 12 November 2019 - 20:24.


#13 AustinF1

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 20:58

https://www.autospor...021-not-a-given

 

Mercedes staying in F1 not a given....

 

Basically saying what Abiteboule said in Mexico for Renault.

 

Negotiations going full swing....

Toto sounds very much like he's trying to convince someone that Merc should stay in F1, imho. Or convince someone that Merc will take its team and its engines and go home if they don't get their way. Or both.

 

Seems kinda strange though, saying that leaving as a team would necessitate leaving as an engine supplier, given their extensive engine-supplying history.


Edited by AustinF1, 13 November 2019 - 10:30.


#14 noikeee

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 23:00

My hunch is Mercedes makes a big splash hiring Verstappen for 2021 - probably still in the first half of the season - and then dominoes start falling from that starting point.

 

Mercedes' motivation for going for Verstappen is that a) he's the only proven star of the new generation that is attainable (the other, Leclerc, is tied to their rivals), and likely even the one outstanding quickest driver of his generation; b) Hamilton will likely start fading (or losing motivation) within a couple of years and they need to start planning for the transition; and c) they have no guarantee they'll continue to be a top team under the new regulations - technical and financial - and therefore need to move for him now whilst their hand is strong. Verstappen's motivation is a) Mercedes are more competitive than RB at the moment (though he could wait a bit more to see what happens in 2021); and b) money - Mercedes would pay him very well.

 

So I think step 1 is Mercedes announce Verstappen. And they give Hamilton the choice on whether he wants to stay as team-mate or not.

 

Step 2 is after a period of much deliberation Hamilton decides not to stay. a) Why stay when you're yesterday's news, plus probably Verstappen's management team will try to lock in some clauses to prevent the team from doing #2 things to him - which makes Hamilton feel like he'd be #2 instead. b) It's time for a new challenge, after 6, most likely 7 titles what else is there to do beyond... going for a little risk and trying to win a title with Ferrari? It's not like he has much to lose, he's a massive legend already. Success there would make him an even bigger legend. Plus there's a very open seat there, as clearly the relationship between Vettel and Ferrari is getting strained after these years of insuccess. And Hamilton seems to get along well with Leclerc. And Ferrari always want a world champion in their books. It just fits perfectly.

 

This leaves Bottas as Mercedes #2 for the sake of continuity and peace in the team. Although there's an outside chance of Vettel going to that seat - on the basis of nationality, he's a hugely successful German champion, Mercedes would surely like to have him driving in their colours at some stage.

 

So by now we have

Mercedes - Verstappen / Bottas

Ferrari - Hamilton / Leclerc

 

Ricciardo will push like hell for that Ferrari seat and when that chance is gone, next best thing is going back to Red Bull. Red Bull can go with either Vettel or Ricciardo or even both of them in case Albon flops (although Vettel would hate going against Dan again and might defect to Renault instead). I think likeliest is Vettel-Albon. Leaving Ricciardo resigned to an unchanged Renault lineup of Ricciardo-Ocon. Not a terrible place for Ricciardo to be at actually, there's always an outside chance a works team like Renault can get things right for the new regs

 

Red Bull - Vettel / Albon

Renault - Ricciardo / Ocon

 

With all the seats above being locked out, there is no place for the McLaren guys to go to, plus that lineup clearly works (although with a few years of friction I don't know if we'll keep seeing the happy-goofy-meme-guys dynamic). Racing Point also clearly isn't changing with a driver under contract and the other the son of the owner.

 

McLaren - Sainz / Norris

Racing Point - Stroll / Perez

 

Williams also seem unlikely to change, unless Russell kicks ass and Mercedes finds somewhere else to park him. I'm running this little fantasy scenario under the assumption team ownerships won't change much (so no more Mercedes-aligned B-teams, for example)

 

Williams - Russell / Latifi

 

Now, 3 teams are left. For Alfa, assuming they remain aligned to Ferrari (big if), I think Kimi retires at last (he's 40 years old already right now and we're talking 2 seasons from now!!!), Giovinazzi has been quietly improving and might get a 3rd season, and Mick Schumacher is clearly the big name in waiting. But I don't know what would happen if Schwartzmann (or Armstrong) outperforms him as a rookie in F2. I'm gonna go Gio/Mick as the likeliest duo, but I'm not super 100% confident of that.

 

Alfa Romeo - Giovinazzi / Schumacher

 

The Toro Rosso, err Alpha Tauri is every year's usual random nonsense. Just pick whatever up and coming RB junior might be hot next year, and pair him with a random guy that's left over. Gasly has been outperforming Kvyat so I think Kvyat loses that seat again. Surely he can't have 19 lives? As for who gets the 2nd seat, it's wide open between Vips, Tsunoda, Lawson, whoever else they might suddenly poach. They might all suck and they're stuck with Gasly/Kvyat again. Idk. I'm gonna guess Vips does well in Japan (though that's a tough ask).

 

Alpha Tauri - Gasly / Vips

 

And now we're left with Haas. Surely they can't go for a 15th consecutive season with these 2 jokers? I like Romain but he's starting to get a little old, too. This is a complete unknown, and you wouldn't even rule out a change of ownership for this franchise. My random guess is Grosjean out Kvyat in. Note: if Shwartzmann/Armstrong outperform Mick in F2 and Ferrari still want to promote Mick anyway, they could persuade Gunther to drop his silly "no rookies" policy and park the other junior in here.

 

Haas - Magnussen / Kvyat

 

And now I've given away all my game for the Silly Season Trophy, crap. And this post is gonna look very silly in 12 months time, too.


Edited by noikeee, 12 November 2019 - 23:01.


#15 theflyingwheel

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 02:02

My (very) early (conservative) prediction,

Mercedes: Hamilton / Norris
Ferrari: Leclerc / Vettel
RB: Max/ Albon
Renault: Ocon / Ricciardo
McLaren: Sainz / O’ward
RP: Perez / Stroll
Alpha Romeo: Gio / Schumi
The other Alpha: Gasly / RB newcomer
Williams: The rich Canadian dude (not to be confused with Stroll) / Russell?
Haas: Kvyat / Grosjean / Hulk / Rookie.

#16 maximilian

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 02:14

My prediction

 

Mercedes: not Alonso / not Alonso

Ferrari: not Alonso / not Alonso

Red Bull: definitely not Alonso / definitely not Alonso

Renault: not Alonso / not Alonso, unless Alonso and Flavio buy the team

Alpha Tauri: definitely not Alonso / definitely not Alonso

Racing Point: not Alonso / not Alonso

Alfa Romeo: not Alonso / not Alonso

Haas: not Alonso / not Alonso

Williams: not Alonso / not Alonso



#17 Beri

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 06:41


My prediction


Mercedes: Alonso JEV

Ferrari:Hulkenberg Vandoorne

Red Bull: Hartley Bourdais

McLaren: Kubica di Resta

Renault: Sutil Kovalainen

Alpha Tauri: Nasr Ericsson

Racing Point: Kobayashi Maldonado

Alfa Romeo: Palmer Chilton

Haas: Gutierrez Sirotkin

Williams: Wehrlein Harayanto


I'd sign for that.

#18 Aaaarrgghh

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 07:53

I don't really feel that Hamilton will go to Ferrari. I do think that, assuming Mercedes stays, Verstappen will join Mercedes for 2021 if there's no improvement in RBR's pace relative to Mercedes, which I think is quite likely.

I also do think that Vettel's time at Ferrari is coming to an end. I'm not excited by the prospect of him returning to RBR, but where else is he going to go? Renault? McLaren? Retirement? I consider them all unlikely (certainly the first two). So because he has nowhere else to go at that stage, the least unlikely option is an RBR comeback.

That leaves a place at Ferrari, which I think will go to Ricciardo, who will not be impressed by Renault's pace in 2020 or their prospects for 2021.

Who takes his seat at Renault? This is anyone's guess and depends on a lot of things. I think Gasly would be wise to leave the Red Bull program before it leaves him, but in that case, he will need to make everyone forget 2019. What I would want to see is Vandoorne given a second chance against anyone who is not Alonso, but I find it improbable. I'm going to say Gasly healthily outperforms Kvyat, gets some kind of standout result that makes everyone forget 2019 and as a result, he gets the seat at Renault.

Nevertheless, my crude guess – with a healthy degree of wishthinking – is this:
Mercedes: Hamilton/Verstappen
Ferrari: Ricciardo/Leclerc
Red Bull: Vettel/Albon
McLaren: Sainz/Norris
Renault: Ocon/Gasly
Racing Point: Pérez/Stroll
Alpha Tauri: Vips/Lundgaard? Márquez
Haas: Magnussen/Vandoorne
Sauber: Giovinazzi/Shwartzman?
Williams: Russell/Latifi or whatever F2 driver finishes in the top 10 with a healthy budget.

 

I look forward to knowing just how wrong I am.

EDIT: I forgot Márquez did that test run for STR a few years back. So I'm gonna say Márquez instead of Lundgaard, just because I dearly want to see that.


Edited by Aaaarrgghh, 18 November 2019 - 14:55.


#19 Starchild

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 09:47

I've just realized how hard it will be for Red Bull juniors to obtain enough super licence points in order to be in Toro Rosso in 2021.

 

Vips is under big pressure, he is the first in line for that Toro Rosso seat but he needs to finish top 2 in super formula as a rookie, which will be pretty damn hard.

Tsunoda needs to finish top 4 in F2, which is again very unlikely, as a rookie...

Lawson needs to finish top 2 in F3, if you are not in Prema it's very difficult task...

Same for Hauger and Doohan, top 2 in F3, but it would be too early for them anyway, they are still too young...

 

 

So, pretty likely another year with Gasly/Kvyat line-up.  :well:


Edited by Starchild, 13 November 2019 - 09:48.


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#20 Henri Greuter

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 09:54

My prediction
 
Mercedes: not Alonso / not Alonso
Ferrari: not Alonso / not Alonso
Red Bull: definitely not Alonso / definitely not Alonso
Renault: not Alonso / not Alonso, unless Alonso and Flavio buy the team
Alpha Tauri: definitely not Alonso / definitely not Alonso
Racing Point: not Alonso / not Alonso
Alfa Romeo: not Alonso / not Alonso
Haas: not Alonso / not Alonso
Williams: not Alonso / not Alonso



Given the past of both teams I would say

Mercedes: definitely not Alonso / definitely not Alonso
Ferrari: definitely not Alonso / definitely not Alonso
other then that: your list looks as I would have made it as well

And I would add to that:

Given their new engine deal with Mercedes:
McLaren: Alonso not possible anymore / Alonso not possible anymore

#21 JG

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 10:04

I would love to see Riccardo at Ferrari after Vettel is done. Mercedes may leave as a team, but could still supply engines in the future, I really can't see Hamilton at Ferrari. Verstappen, what options does he have other than Red Bull really? I think Ferrari will go with Leclerc and Riccardo in a near future, and Mercedes may quit.

#22 ElectricBoogie

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 10:11

I'd sign for that.

F1 want to mix it up? Form a pool of rejects and let them race (by lottery) last year's cars, no new parts, on Fridays. Throw in some hopefuls.



#23 snakestone

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 10:18

Ferrari: Leclerc has a contract till 2022 and will likely extent it soon enough. 

Maybe has

https://translate.go...uen-2022-220499



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Posted 13 November 2019 - 10:57

 

My prediction

 

Mercedes: Alonso JEV

Ferrari:Hulkenberg Vandoorne

Red Bull: Hartley Bourdais

McLaren: Kubica di Resta

Renault: Sutil Kovalainen

Alpha Tauri: Nasr Ericsson

Racing Point: Kobayashi Maldonado

Alfa Romeo: Palmer Chilton

Haas: Gutierrez Sirotkin

Williams: Wehrlein Harayanto

 

F1 drivers parade hit by a meteorite in 2020?



#25 Beri

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 11:16

F1 drivers parade hit by a meteorite in 2020?


Interestingly that would make for an excellent thread: Fantasy lineup without any current F1 or F2 drivers.

#26 Anderis

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 11:43

There was a thread like that not so long ago, although F2 drivers were not excluded IIRC.


Edited by Anderis, 13 November 2019 - 11:43.


#27 Beri

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 12:21

Would make for a fun lineup, I think.

#28 Ali623

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 12:29

Mercedes: ?,?

Ferrari: ?,?

Red Bull: ?,?

Renault: ?,?

Alpha Tauri: ?,?

Racing Point: ?,?

Alfa Romeo:?,?

Haas: Grosjean, Magnussen

Williams: ?,?



#29 player1s

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 12:35

I honestly expect very little chances in the top teams tbh.

I can see Hamilton continuing and thus blocking Verstappen. Mercedes sticks with Hamilton and likely Bottas or mayby Russel.

LeClerc isnt going anywhere and he will block a Verstappen move as well. 2nd car will be likely Vettel. Seeing how long they stuck with Kimi, I cant see them just ditch Vettel.

 

Verstappen either doesnt want to move (RBR-Honda performs well enough) or is left without an alternative (see above). 2nd car will likely be Albon or maybe they take back Ricciardo.

McLaren likely will stick with the drivers. Renault, if they stay, might keep both on too if Ricciardo has no decent alternative. Rest will be a crapshoot to predict now. Kimi might finally retire.



#30 AustinF1

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 12:38

I honestly expect very little chances in the top teams tbh.

I can see Hamilton continuing and thus blocking Verstappen. Mercedes sticks with Hamilton and likely Bottas or mayby Russel.

LeClerc isnt going anywhere and he will block a Verstappen move as well. 2nd car will be likely Vettel. Seeing how long they stuck with Kimi, I cant see them just ditch Vettel.

 

Verstappen either doesnt want to move (RBR-Honda performs well enough) or is left without an alternative (see above). 2nd car will likely be Albon or maybe they take back Ricciardo.

McLaren likely will stick with the drivers. Renault, if they stay, might keep both on too if Ricciardo has no decent alternative. Rest will be a crapshoot to predict now. Kimi might finally retire.

What happens to Lewis if Merc pull out of the show?



#31 CSF

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 12:38

Ooft, if Merc sign Max up quick, we could have another 2006 on our hands...  :stoned:



#32 Marklar

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 12:47

What happens to Lewis if Merc pull out of the show?

Besides that this is unlikely somebody will surely buy the Brackley team in that scenario and Mercedes would still supply engines.

#33 BobbyRicky

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 13:32

What about Stefan GP?



#34 Trust

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 13:37

What about Stefan GP?

Is this question legit? Because that will never happen.

#35 screamingV16

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 13:50

Interestingly that would make for an excellent thread: Fantasy lineup without any current F1 or F2 drivers.

 

If you want to watch a load of rejects crashing into each other, just watch Formula E :D ..... I joke, I joke....



#36 AustinF1

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 13:53

Besides that this is unlikely somebody will surely buy the Brackley team in that scenario and Mercedes would still supply engines.

Agree it's unlikely, but still a possibility given what Toto's been saying, and he also says that if they go home, they'll take their engines with them.


Edited by AustinF1, 13 November 2019 - 14:34.


#37 eibyyz

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 14:09

Besides that this is unlikely somebody will surely buy the Brackley team in that scenario and Mercedes would still supply engines.

 

Honda comes in at the last minute to supply engines.  Party like it's 2009!



#38 sopa

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 14:18

Would be fun if Wolff GP replicates what Brawn GP managed. Takes over the team after the works team has pulled out, but the car is still good enough to clinch titles, because the manufacturer had done a great job and put in a lot of funding into developing the car beforehand.

 

E: Also if Mercedes pulls out the engines too, maybe these engines would be still used, just like Renault was re-badged Mecachrome and Supertec after 1997. Because what else could F1 do if they keep the same engine regs? Keep using the same old engines, if manufacturer doesn't want to develop it further any more. So Mercedes engine would be rebadged. I guess Petronas has enough money to rebadge it just like they used with Sauber?

 

So Wolff-Petronas for the championship it is.


Edited by sopa, 13 November 2019 - 14:22.


#39 r4mses

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 14:21

I am confident of two things only:

Kimi will retire
Ricciardo will leave Renault

 

I'm pretty sure RAI wants to try the new cars - after all, he's doing it just for fun anyway these days. RIC would be more than stupid to leave Renault as the rules change drastically.



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#40 lustigson

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 15:09

Since Silly Season 2020 is pretty much wrapped up and everyone already talks about 2021 let's start the 2021 Silly Season thread. A little overview as of today:

 

What?! I was too late to start this thread?   ;)  :clap:



#41 SenorSjon

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 16:05

I'm pretty sure RAI wants to try the new cars - after all, he's doing it just for fun anyway these days. RIC would be more than stupid to leave Renault as the rules change drastically.

 

Why? Because Renault handles rule changes well?  :rotfl:



#42 noikeee

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 17:00

I'm pretty sure RAI wants to try the new cars - after all, he's doing it just for fun anyway these days. RIC would be more than stupid to leave Renault as the rules change drastically.


I'm sure he wants to try the new cars, but I'm not sure whoever's in charge of Alfa will let him. Plus, unfortunately, Kimi like everyone else isn't eternal and is only naturally getting slower as anyone else would be at his age. At some stage even himself will have to let go and resign himself to that fact.

Edited by noikeee, 13 November 2019 - 17:00.


#43 Marklar

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 17:49

Agree it's unlikely, but still a possibility given what Toto's been saying, and he also says that if they go home, they'll take their engines with them.

Not sure about that. I read a couple of weeks ago that the new Boss has stated internally that the engines are basically the face of the company's marketing strategy by now and that there is no way that they would pull out as a engine supplier. What Wolff says could be simple negotiation tactic to make the potential loss seem more severe.

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 18:37

I'm sure he wants to try the new cars, but I'm not sure whoever's in charge of Alfa will let him. Plus, unfortunately, Kimi like everyone else isn't eternal and is only naturally getting slower as anyone else would be at his age. At some stage even himself will have to let go and resign himself to that fact.

 

If Kimi has an uncompetitive team-mate, it could mask his own relative speed, so we couldn't really be sure whether he has lost any speed. For example if Giovinazzi is closer to Kimi next year, does that mean Gio has improved or Kimi gone slower? Also if Kimi beats Gio again, Alfa Romeo would be hard-pressed to replace him, because he would be proven as a more reliable benchmark.



#45 chrisj

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 18:57

Makes a change from Ferrari or Red Bull coming out with this tedious bo||ocks.

 

The difference is, Mercedes, Red Bull and Renault could leave, and no one* would really care. It's only a problem if Ferrari leaves.

 

 

*Liberty, the FIA and 75% of fans



#46 ElectricBoogie

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 19:21

I'm sure he wants to try the new cars, but I'm not sure whoever's in charge of Alfa will let him. Plus, unfortunately, Kimi like everyone else isn't eternal and is only naturally getting slower as anyone else would be at his age. At some stage even himself will have to let go and resign himself to that fact.

Why does F1 need to be so straightforward?
Can't Kimi share a car with a talent? Like in Indycar might happen. Kimi gets to pick his circuits and schedule. Doesn't show up to all races just to be garage fill and PR muppet. Dude has life to live. But still wants to race F1 while he can, it seems. He's very popular. If he needed to, I bet he could swing a pay driver scheme. Seems to be getting more tolerant with media engagement, or is that just me?
Normally you want a driver in the car the whole season to get him to place high in the championship. For now, Sauber will not really lose much when Kimi shares the car with whomever. Hulk for all I care, who definitely has a WEC hypercar career waiting for him if he wants it. Hulk does what fits his schedule, Kimi picks what he likes from the rest, a rookie with just enough points gets the break of his life. How would this NOT draw lots of attention to the team's sponsors? Drivers always have something new to tell the media. F1 is less a standalone thing, part of a greater racing scene. 



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Posted 13 November 2019 - 19:45

I also doubt Alfa Romeo will go for two Ferrari bound drivers. They will always go for one experienced driver at least, a Hulkenberg or Kvyat for example. And Ferrari are still impressed with Giovinazzi’s sim feedback, so I can see him going back to a third driver role at Ferrari.

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 20:06

I'd say that this takes care of the Alonso mention quota for this thread but we all know it won't end here. 

 

Seems the ones that don't want to hear about Alonso, are the first to bring up his name. I'll wait until there is a clearer picture of what certain teams are doing (Renault's plans for example), before making my entirely serious Alonso post. :wave:



#49 noikeee

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 20:07

Why does F1 need to be so straightforward?
Can't Kimi share a car with a talent? Like in Indycar might happen. Kimi gets to pick his circuits and schedule. Doesn't show up to all races just to be garage fill and PR muppet. Dude has life to live. But still wants to race F1 while he can, it seems. He's very popular. If he needed to, I bet he could swing a pay driver scheme. Seems to be getting more tolerant with media engagement, or is that just me?
Normally you want a driver in the car the whole season to get him to place high in the championship. For now, Sauber will not really lose much when Kimi shares the car with whomever. Hulk for all I care, who definitely has a WEC hypercar career waiting for him if he wants it. Hulk does what fits his schedule, Kimi picks what he likes from the rest, a rookie with just enough points gets the break of his life. How would this NOT draw lots of attention to the team's sponsors? Drivers always have something new to tell the media. F1 is less a standalone thing, part of a greater racing scene.


Rotating a driver is a bad idea. Robs a driver of precious limited time to understand the car and optimize it in setup and development, and robs him of his rhythm. It's doubly worse when it's a rookie or youngster in need of as many miles as possible.

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 21:01

Giovinazzi is an interesting case and could turn out to be more crucial for the driver market than we think.

Assuming the 2nd Alfa is reserved to one of the new Ferrari rookies the 1st seat is between him, Kimi and outsiders (Hulk for example, Vasseur rates him). since Vasseur wanted him out this year he needs a massive improvement next year.

But even if he gets dropped, he ticks off the Haas requirement of being relatively experienced, and the team has Ferrari ties.

Now let's go even further: What if Giovinazzi does improve massively? He's Italian and there were indications that Ferrari wants a #1-#2 policy again. If (and big if) he does manage to improve much I wouldnt rule out this scenario. In 2004 Felipe Massa didnt look like a future Ferrari driver either.