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Poll: Formula E, GEN 3 | Season 9 Thread (51 member(s) have cast votes)

What are you looking forward the most in Season 9?

  1. The GEN 3 Cars. I NEED to see them in action! (23 votes [45.10%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.10%

  2. New teams: McLaren, Maserati, ABT (5 votes [9.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.80%

  3. Fast Charging Pit Stop and how it will affect racing format (3 votes [5.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

  4. New Drivers, like Fenestraz, and glorious returns, like Rast! (2 votes [3.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.92%

  5. NO FANBOOST, YAY GUYS! (14 votes [27.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.45%

  6. New locations: Cape Town, India, Sao Paolo & more! (3 votes [5.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

  7. Just give me Formula E back ASAP!! (1 votes [1.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.96%

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#1 thegamer23

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Posted 26 October 2022 - 19:43

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SEASON 8 THREADhttps://forums.autos...nship-season-8/
SILLY SEASON 9 THREADhttps://forums.autos...ly-season-2023/
GEN 3 PRESENTATION THREADhttps://forums.autos...-reveal/page-21

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It's the dawn of a new era of Electric Racing.
 
In 8 years, we went through two generations of cars, and we're getting ready to get into the third one.
On January, everything is going to change.
The third generation of Formula E cars will take the green light in Mexico City, setting the track on fire with 350 kW of sheer torque power.
 
 
"The fastest, lightest, most exciting electric open-wheel race car ever built"
 
 
Along with the most competitive drivers lineup yet, a 17 races long calendar with venues from all around the world, brand new teams, brand new sponsors, brand new regulations..

The most fascinating Formula E season ever, with drivers pushed at their limits, handling these little, powerful demons in the streets of the City circuits.

On the verge between disaster and eternal glory.
This is Season 9, this is Generation 3.

This is Formula E
 
 
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BEFORE GEN 3 | A BRIEF DIVE IN HISTORY
 
 
 
CEO Alejandro Agag confessed that, before the first ever event in Beijing, he wasn't even sure that Formula E would manage to dispute its second event in Putrajaya.
But the first electric race delivered an entertaining show & drama, a lot of media attention and a dramatic last lap crash that, for sure, raised the buzz around the serie.
 
The Gen 1 era was good to go: 4 full seasons of good racing, with three titles decided at the very last race.
 
 
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Season 1 was won by the brazilian Nelson Piquet Jr of team China Racing (Later named NexTEV after a new title sponsor came onboard mid-season)
With a very strong second half of the season, the son of Nelson Piquet managed to beat fellow brazilian Di Grassi (ABT) & Buemi (Renault) in a Dramatic Season Finale in Battersea Park (London)
 
 
Season 2 was decided in an even more Dramatic Fashion: Sebastien Buemi of team e-Dams Renault beat Lucas Di Grassi after contact in Turn 1 of the very last race, in Battersea Park.
Championship contender Lucas Di Grassi, started P3, crashed into poleman Buemi at T1 braking, 
Both managed to continue, after changing cars at the Pit Boxes: tied on points, the two drivers challenged each other in getting the Fastest Lap of the race, worth 2 points.
Buemi managed to get the fastest lap of the race, clinching the title in Dramatic fashion.
 
 
Season 3 was, once again, a very close battle, decided at the very last event in the streets of Montreal.
While Buemi dominated the first part of the season with his Renault e-Dams, Di Grassi mounted a serious challenge in the second half of the season, closing to striking distance before the final weekend.
Buemi had a major crash in practice, slamming into the final chicane's wall: forced to start from the back, the swissman was involved in more contacts in the first few laps while Di Grassi collected a crucial win.
2nd race was another very difficult one for Buemi: it was Di Grassi's time to shine and take the championship crown.
 
 
 
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Season 4 it was the year of the Techeetah, and the last of Gen 1!
The Black-Golden team was on a rise after a promising Season 3 campaign, and Jean Eric Vergne took the command seat, scoring wins & podiums right away.
Main contender for him was Sam Bird of Virgin Racing, but the englishman had to surrender in the streets of New York, where Vergne was crowned Champion.
 
 
Season 5 marked the debut of the Gen 2 cars.
Faster machinery, capable of covering the entire race distance without the need of a mid-race car swap.
A huge step forward for the serie, and a very competitive first season with plenty of great races.
Season 5 saw Jean Eric Vergne & Techeetah taking the Double: the talented frenchman delivered a very consistent year, rarely out of points, managing to clinch the title at the Season Finale, once again in New York!
 
 
Season 6 was the first Pandemic hit season.
After four races, the calendar suffered months of stoppages due to the pandemic.
Racing stopped in february, and came back in August: the extreme solution to complete the season was to host all the remaining (6!) races in the same location, the Berlin Tempelhof circuit, all condensed in one week.
A big achievement considering the situation, and a 6 days-long season finale that saw Antonio Felix Da Costa dominating all the way through, bringing Techeetah the Third Drivers title in a row.
 
 
 
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Season 7 saw Formula E coming back in full force after a very strange, pandemic-hit season.
It was the first year with a "World Championship" status, so more prestige, higher stakes, more drama.
 
Racing never been this closer, some very exciting races, but the old qualifying system started causing some troubles, causing an artificial bunch up in the drivers standings.
Before the final weekend of the season, in fact, 16 drivers were still in mathematical contention for the title due to the quali system.
De Vries of Mercedes started the final two races in the champ lead, with multiple victories & podiums, but Jake Dennis of BMW, Edo Mortara of Venturi & Mitch Evans of Jaguar were still pretty close in the standings.
Unfortunately for them, they were all taken out in the first few laps of the race in different accidents, while De Vries cruised for the first Formula E World Championship Title.
 
 
Season 8 was the last season of Generation 2 cars.
 
The package's never been this reliable, more efficient & faster.
A new, much more fair quali format was introduced to guarantee a more linear & meritocratic develpoment of the season.
And it worked!
Pecking order was much more clear, all the favourites were starting in the Top 10 most of the times and the championship felt much more mature, and enjoyable.
Stoffel Vandoorne appeared right away as the most consistent driver of the bunch with Mercedes, but Mitch Evans of Jaguar, Jean Eric Vergne of Techeetah & Edo Mortara of Venturi also took the spotlight, closing in the standings.
These 4 drivers dominated the season, sharing victories & podiums, but 2 of them faded away in the last few races, leaving only Stoffel Vandoorne & Mitch Evans to fight for the title.
 
It was all decided in the streets of Seoul, with Vandoorne starting the Double Header with an healty advantage after tech troubles hit Evans in London.
Evans managed to take a glorious victory in a wet Seoul in Race 1, but Vandoorne just needed a few points in Race 2 to achieve the title.
 
And it happened! 
Stoffel drove clean & consistent in race 2, finishing 4th, enough to take the World Championship, second title in a row for Mercedes.
 
 
 
 
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GENERATION 3 | A MASSIVE STEP FORWARD!
 
 
But enough of talking about the past!

Next Generation of Electric Racing has come!
The fastest, most compact, lightest, most powerful electric single seater, open wheel car is set to change the face of the serie forever.

It's smaller, faster, more nimble, more spectacular to watch.
What's not to like?
 
 
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  • Fastest Formula E car yet with a top speed of around 322kph / 200mph

 

  • Most efficient formula racing car ever with more than 40% of the energy used within a race produced by regenerative braking.

 

  • Around 95% power efficiency from an electric motor delivering up to 350kW of power (470BHP), compared to approximately 40% for an internal combustion engine.

 

  • First-ever formula car with both front and rear powertrains. A new front powertrain adds 250kW to the 350kW at the rear, more than doubling the regenerative capability of the current Gen2 to a total of 600kW.

 

  • Possibility to use both powertrains for power output in the series future.

 

  • Ultra-high speed charging capability of 600kW for additional energy during a race, almost double the power of the most advanced commercial chargers in the world.

 

  • The first formula car that will not feature rear hydraulic brakes, with the addition of the front powertrain and its regenerative capability.

 

 

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More Technical STATS   (courtesy of Ben1445)
 
 
 
Weight and Power (Gen2 —> Gen3)
 
Qualifying Power: 250kW —> 350kW (+40%)
Race Power: 200 kW —> 300 kW (+50%)
Total weight (inc. driver): 900 kg —> 840 kg
Battery Weight: 385 kg —> 284 kg (-26%)
Battery Capacity: 54kWh —> 51kWh (-5.5%)
Regeneration: 250 kW —> 600 kW (+140%, split 350kW rear/250kW front)
 
 
(For those who can’t think in kW yet, conversion rate is 100 kW = 134.1 bhp, so just multiply everything by 1.341)
 
 
Dimensions (Gen2 —> Gen3)
 
 
Width: 1770 mm —> 1700 mm (maximum)
Length: 5160 mm —> 5000 mm (maximum)
Height: 1050 mm —> 1250 mm (maximum)
 
 
Aerodynamics (Gen2 —> Gen3)
 
 
Target drag (SCx): 0.65 —> 0.6 (-8%, Gen1 was 0.75)
Target downforce: (SCz): 1.5-2.0 (no change from previous tender document)
 
 
 
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GENERATION 3 | FAST CHARGING TO BE INTRODUCED LATER IN SEASON 9?
 
 
Ultra fast charging is a reality, and it could even be introduced midway through Season 9 .
Gen 3 car has a charge point at the back, ready for use, and the system has been tested already in a private session of collective tests in Varano (Italy).

From the outside, it looks like a traditional pit stop, with the mechanic connecting the charge point to the source.

The stop lenght might vary, based on the amount of charge needed or the race format: a full charge might need around 30 seconds.
 
 
 
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The system will be tested again during the Official Valencia Pre-Season testing, where a Race Simulation Day will be held, with practice, quali and a race.
But it's unlikely that it's going to be introduced already at the beginning of the season, it needs more testing & fine-tuning.

There's a possibility to introduce it from mid-season onwards in selected races.
 
 
 
 
SEASON 9 | FANBOOST NO MORE!!
 
 
Yep, after 8 seasons of suffering, Fanboost is set to be dropped.

You can celebrate now!


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GENERATION 3 | BIG CRASHES IN PRIVATE TESTING!
 
 
Brand new, faster & lighter car,  means also new dangers!
 
There has been 3 huge crashes in Private Testing so far.
 
First one, involved Theo Pourchaire: the young rising star of F2 tested a base Gen 3 car provided by Spark, earlier this year, at Circuit of Calafat.
All went pretty smooth, till it didn't anymore!
 
Car suddently lost electric power and the brake system failed as consequence in a "loss of comunication between battery & car" kind of failure.
 
That sent the car off the circuit and into the "sand walls".
No consequences for the driver, luckily.
 
 
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Oliver Rowland also had a big crash, this time in Mallory Park, while testing the new Mahindra.
 
The englishman lost control of the Gen 3 after another Power Shut down failure, smashing into the outside wall big time. 
Rowland hurt his hand a little bit, but was fit enough to race in London for the London e-Prix, the following week.
 
 
And, last but not least, Sam Bird.
The flying gentlemen was "unable to stop the car" in Calafat, smashing hard into the outside walls. 
 
A failure "not related" to the similar problem that Pourchaire had earlier in the year.
 
Investigations are ongoing and FE is very confident those dangerous kind of failures are going to be solved before the collective Valencia Testing, of December, and all the teams are working together to solve these early birth issues of the new car.
 
Williams Advanced Technologies, provider of the batteries, has already developed a possible solution.
 
 
 
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SEASON 9 | DRIVERS & TEAMS
 
 

FACTORY TEAMS
 
PORSCHE Antonio Felix Da Costa / Pascal Wehrlein
MAHINDRA Lucas Di Grassi / Oliver Rowland

MASERATI Edo Mortara / Max Gunther

NIO333 Sergio Sette Camara / Dan Ticktum

NISSAN Sacha Fenestraz / Norman Nato

DS Stoffel Vandoorne / Jean Eric Vergne

JAGUAR  Mitch Evans / Sam Bird

 

 

COSTUMER TEAMS

 

ABT | Mahindra | Robin Frijns / Nico Muller

ANDRETTI |  Porsche Andrè Lotterer / Jake Dennis

ENVISION | JaguarSebastien Buemi / Nick Cassidy

MCLAREN | Nissan | Rene Rast / Jake Hughes

 

 
22 cars on Track for Season 9!
 
 
 
OUT OF THE SEASON

TECHEETAH | Team Principal Mark Preston hoping to create a brand new team for Season 10.
 
 
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ROOKIE OF THE YEAR? Sacha Fenestraz could be Formula E's next big thing. The talented young driver is shining in Japan's Superformula & GT championship, and he's now ready to prove himself in one of the most competitive series.
 
BIGGEST MOVERS: World Champion Stoffel Vandoorne moves from Mercedes (out of FE) to DS Penske, alongside Jean Eric Vergne. Other big moves: Di Grassi in Mahindra, Buemi to Envision, Da Costa to Porsche

QUALITY COMEBACKS: Renè Rast is back in Formula E, with McLaren. Also, Norman Nato is back racing with Nissan. Two drivers who impressed in their Formula E debut in S7, ready to prove themselves again!
 
NEW TEAMS: McLaren joins the field and its set to deliver the goods!! Maserati makes their comeback in racing, and ABT returns to Formula E after 4 seasons of absence!
 
 
 
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SEASON 9 RACING CALENDAR
 
 
The most interesting Formula E racing calendar to date!

First chance to see the Gen 3 cars on track will be at Valencia, from December 13 to 16, for the Collective Pre Season Tests.
It's going to be an Electric Christmas:smoking:
 
Official Start of the season will be in Mexico, in mid January.
Such an awesome location and circuit to kick off an historic season for the serie!
 
More racing in January, with two more races in the Saudi Arabia Double Header in Riyadh
 
February will be the month of two brand new, exciting e-Prixes: in the streets of Hyderabad Formula E will make history for the first Indian e-Prix, than in late february another incredible location in Cape Town.
 
 
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In March, Formula E will reach Sao Paolo for the first ever Brazilian e-Prix, in a similar track to what Indycar used back in the day.
Than two classic Formula E venues: Berlin Tempelhof and Monaco, for the spectacular e-Prix of Montecarlo: this year, with Gen 3's it's going to be mind blowing!

R10 & R13 are yet to be determined: Seoul and an e-Prix in the U-S-A are the most likely scenarios.
Two great venues to finish off the first Gen 3 season: Double Header in Rome in July, in the beautiful EUR track, than the Season Finale in London, in the tight & unforgiving EXCEL Indoor-Outdoor layout
 
 
 
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#2 Ben1445

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Posted 27 October 2022 - 07:58

Season 9... 

 

Time runs fast. 



#3 thegamer23

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Posted 27 October 2022 - 08:30

Interesting that Mahindra and its costumer team, ABT, are really working as a 4 car team.

In fact, Nico Muller, ABT driver, is testing the Mahindra car right now

 

 

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#4 Ben1445

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Posted 27 October 2022 - 08:39

I'd be surprised if most of the manufacturer/customer partners aren't doing this. The most competitive set up to develop the package appears to be having a close relationship with your customer team.

 

The regulations encourage entering into a customer supply deal by allowing extra test days for doing so. It also encourages close partnerships by mandating that the customer runs a certain number of those total test days. If you want to maximise the number of testing days and data collection feeding back into powertrain development, you need to work well with your customer. 

 

Interesting to see what that may mean for NIO this year, who have lofty goals but are the only team on the grid without a powertrain customer.  



#5 Ben1445

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Posted 27 October 2022 - 08:53

SEASON 9 | FANBOOST NO MORE!!
 
Yep, after 8 seasons of suffering, Fanboost is set to be dropped.

You can celebrate now!

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This one maybe deserves a highlight. 
 
It's not been officially confirmed, but Sam Smith at The Race (who has a track record of getting this sort of thing right) reported that: 

The Race can reveal that unanimous agreement has been reached between the teams and the promoters of the championship to cease the initiative, which has always proved divisive.

https://the-race.com...om-2023-season/



#6 juicy sushi

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Posted 27 October 2022 - 12:24

Seriously, I think everyone has realized that it wasn't helping the things it was supposed to help, but was hurting other things.



#7 juicy sushi

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Posted 27 October 2022 - 12:25

We've seen footage of every manufacturer trying out their new toys except for Nissan.  It would be nice to hear something on how they're faring.  I do hope they actually do run that Sakura livery, it would definitely be a hell of way to stand out.



#8 maximilian

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Posted 27 October 2022 - 12:35

Amazing OP, thank you for that!  :love:

 

Ridiculous it took them this long to finally get rid of FanBoobs.  Definitely a step in the right direction.



#9 maximilian

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Posted 27 October 2022 - 12:36

Wait, what... Jaguar is a customer team?



#10 thegamer23

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Posted 27 October 2022 - 14:01

Wait, what... Jaguar is a customer team?


Nah, more like OP failz

Will correct it asap :)

 

Talking about some of the new Formula E drivers, Sacha Fenestraz could win Japanese Super Forumula this weekend!

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#11 Frood

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Posted 28 October 2022 - 05:57

No more Fanboost? Finally!

*Sad Stoffel Vandoorne noises*

#12 Disgrace

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Posted 28 October 2022 - 06:11

Meh, Fanboost was never the scourge it was made out to be. I think we can count on one hand the number of times it decided a podium position battle. But I think it's fair to drop it - presumably the costs of policing against algorithms devised to game the system are only going up.



#13 Ben1445

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Posted 28 October 2022 - 08:37

I'd describe it in the following terms: 

 

- Effect on the actual racing: minimal

- Boost to early-days commercial prospects by pleasing boardroom PR box-tickers: arguable  

- Effect on audience/observer opinions about sporting integrity: unacceptable 

 

Hope we get official confirmation, as impressive as Sam Smith's track record for accuracy is...



#14 thegamer23

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Posted 28 October 2022 - 10:44

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Posted 28 October 2022 - 11:10

Breaking news: Fast charging pit stops could be delayed, and debut in selected races from mid-season onwards.

 

Full Report

 

https://the-race.com...liability-woes/

 

 

Well, better to take time and introduce it properly rather than rushing it even if it isn't fully tested imho.


Edited by thegamer23, 28 October 2022 - 12:55.


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Posted 28 October 2022 - 11:11

Hooray! There's not loads of motor racing going on in January so I'll do my annual "see what Formula E is like this year" thing.

 

Edit: Not about fast charging pitstops obviously. That's a shame!



#17 juicy sushi

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Posted 28 October 2022 - 12:41

Curses. It’s really annoying these things are cropping up at the last minute.

#18 Ben1445

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Posted 28 October 2022 - 21:50

Mm, fairly disappointing. But best to get things (both tech and format) ironed out 100% before debuting it for real.

I suppose if you think about KERS in F1, that was partially introduced in 2009, skipped in 2010 and and came back for good in 2011. Teething troubles with introducing new tech hasn’t stopped it from becoming an integral feature of the sport since then.

I’m sure they’ll get there.

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Posted 28 October 2022 - 22:19

Not sure if I follow why a pack (refuse to call it RESS even if that is how the homologation regulations call them for EVs) mechanical structure problem would limit the ability to do DCFC. It suggests they are worried about durability of components that would carry the high current. Busbars and contactors most likely.

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#20 Disgrace

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Posted 29 October 2022 - 18:05

I hope they do the right thing and delay it by a season.



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Posted 02 November 2022 - 13:56

Maserati team reveal tomorrow at 14.30 CET

We should also see the car, along with the official drivers.

 

 

Porsche presentation on November 7th

 

Pre-esason is heating up!  :up: 
 

 

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Edited by thegamer23, 02 November 2022 - 16:02.


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Posted 02 November 2022 - 15:38

One of them better be Edo or I will be slightly upset. :p



#23 Otaku

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Posted 02 November 2022 - 16:13

Any logical reason on why they are not already running slick tyres, besides the dumb "road relevance" crap?



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Posted 02 November 2022 - 16:14

Maserati team reveal tomorrow at 14.30 CET

We should also see the car, along with the official drivers.

 

 

Porsche presentation on November 7th

 

Pre-esason is heating up!  :up: 
 

 

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The Stig and The Stiguette?



#25 Ben1445

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Posted 02 November 2022 - 16:43

Any logical reason on why they are not already running slick tyres, besides the dumb "road relevance" crap?

I mean, since day one it was always said to have been cutting down on the number of physical tyres you need to take to a race, and therefore the amount of air freight. 

 

Freight is, of course, one of the biggest contributions to any championship's impact - far more so than any emissions (or lack of them) out on track. 

 

If you go with slicks, you either take inters/wets as well (more freight) or decide that you will never even attempt to race in the rain (commercially risky). I know it often feels like the latter as par for the course in open wheel racing right now but, y'know...



#26 juicy sushi

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Posted 02 November 2022 - 16:44

Any logical reason on why they are not already running slick tyres, besides the dumb "road relevance" crap?

It is road relevant, it's more sustainable, financially and environmentally, since you're not carrying around multiple compounds for different conditions or reasons.  And it means the cars are sliding plenty, so look cool with a dab of oppo' and the chance for mistakes that enable more passing.



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Posted 02 November 2022 - 16:45

Any logical reason on why they are not already running slick tyres, besides the dumb "road relevance" crap?

Because it is a series for racing electric cars, not a tyre competition.

 

Choosing, and sticking to, treaded road-style tyres was one of the most sensible things about Formula E.  There were other less sensible things like fanboost, car swopping, stupidly tight hairpins and unnecessary chicanes, but they got the tyres bang on right.



#28 Ben1445

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Posted 02 November 2022 - 16:45

Synchronised responses! 



#29 thegamer23

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Posted 02 November 2022 - 18:25

Porsche testing Gen 3 in Spain, brief video!

https://twitter.com/...855558748819456



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Posted 03 November 2022 - 07:50

Indian e-Prix, possible layout

 

Source:  https://www.reddit.c...d_eprix_layout/

 

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Quite an improvement over the earlier draft

 

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#31 Peat

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Posted 03 November 2022 - 08:56

https://the-race.com...its-even-begun/

 

Oooof. Sobering read. 



#32 Ben1445

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Posted 03 November 2022 - 08:57

Indian e-Prix, possible layout
 
Source:  https://www.reddit.c...d_eprix_layout/


Oh cool, I scanned past that and assumed it was fan-made hypothetical, but evidently not

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https://twitter.com/...e-mDumsedUvhZfQ

 


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Posted 03 November 2022 - 10:30

https://the-race.com...its-even-begun/

 

Oooof. Sobering read. 

 


The delay to fast charging I can live with, in fact it could even be spun as a positive if they can still run a 45min-ish race this year and fast charging the following season then increases that. The reliability issues with the battery really should have been discovered earlier in the FIAs own testing phase. The fact they weren’t suggests to me their testing programme wasn’t rigorous enough.

#34 Ben1445

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Posted 03 November 2022 - 10:54

I'll take heart on Sam Smith's caveats in an otherwise fairly doom and gloom piece* : 
 
"Before we get to those [concerns], it is important to state that, mostly, the cars are running well and trouble-free. Thousands of miles of running are being carried out via the manufacturer test days that have taken place mostly in Spain since June."
 
"Whenever I speak to manufacturers, and I have consistently done so since the end of the 2022 season in August, one thread becomes consistently clear. They are, in most areas anyway, working collaboratively for the greater future good of Formula E. That genuine spirit has been there for some time and continues to be a positive force in various aspects of the paddock.

Of course, the FIA and the common parts suppliers are doing the same, and it goes without saying that everyone wants this to work and work well."

 

From other aspects of reading, it almost sounds like those involved want the FIA to put more resource and focus into FE, treating it less like a sideshow experiment and more like a pillar of their motorsport ecosystem. 

 

 

(*I still often wonder about The Race's editorial directions - they really do buy into the sensationalised clickbait journalistic trend in my view, and not necessarily just for FE either. But hey ho.)



#35 Risil

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Posted 03 November 2022 - 11:55

https://the-race.com...its-even-begun/

Oooof. Sobering read.


Hmm. That article appeared to edge towards criticism of how the FIA handled the tendering process back in 2019 and then pulled its punches. Is that fair?

#36 thegamer23

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Posted 03 November 2022 - 13:32

Max Gunther & Edo Mortara will be the Maserati lineup!

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Posted 03 November 2022 - 13:42

Gunther must have a very skilled agent. Surprising choice for me.



#38 thegamer23

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Posted 03 November 2022 - 13:46

Gunther must have a very skilled agent. Surprising choice for me.

 

The seat was destined to be for De Vries.

 

https://the-race.com...s-for-de-vries/

 

 

It then deployed alternative plans for Mortara’s team-mate. These included the scoping out of Oliver Turvey, Alex Lynn, and Formula 2 driver Theo Pourchaire in addition to Guenther, who was in talks with the team from an early stage.

The German is believed to have got the nod due to his track record with the BMW i Andretti team, with which he scored three E-Prix victories between 2019 and 2020 in Santiago (below), New York and Berlin.


Edited by thegamer23, 03 November 2022 - 13:48.


#39 maximilian

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Posted 03 November 2022 - 13:47

Breaking news: Fast charging pit stops could be delayed, and debut in selected races from mid-season onwards.

 

Full Report

 

https://the-race.com...liability-woes/

 

 

Well, better to take time and introduce it properly rather than rushing it even if it isn't fully tested imho.

 

I hope this doesn't turn into the next ROBORACE situation  :p



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#40 maximilian

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Posted 03 November 2022 - 13:49

Maserati team reveal tomorrow at 14.30 CET

We should also see the car, along with the official drivers.

 

 

Porsche presentation on November 7th

 

Pre-esason is heating up!  :up: 
 

 

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Daft Punk is back from retirement already? 



#41 maximilian

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Posted 03 November 2022 - 13:51

Oh cool, I scanned past that and assumed it was fan-made hypothetical, but evidently not

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https://twitter.com/...e-mDumsedUvhZfQ

 

 

Thrilled-looking bunch, aren't they?



#42 RSRally

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Posted 03 November 2022 - 13:52

Gunther must have a very skilled agent. Surprising choice for me.


Had a crap 2022 but realistically, bearing in mind they wanted someone experienced, were there many better choices after DeVries swanned off to F1?

Turvey maybe.. Alex Lynm was mentioned but been out of FE for a year. And Gunther is a multiple race winner.

#43 Ben1445

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Posted 03 November 2022 - 13:54

Indian e-Prix, possible layout

 

Source:  https://www.reddit.c...d_eprix_layout/

 

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We'd be talking just north of 1km for that long back-straight-including-the-possibly-flat-long-radius-curve bit  



#44 maximilian

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Posted 03 November 2022 - 13:54

Had a crap 2022 but realistically, bearing in mind they wanted someone experienced, were there many better choices after DeVries swanned off to F1?

Turvey maybe.. Alex Lynm was mentioned but been out of FE for a year. And Gunther is a multiple race winner.

 

Bring back Nico Prost!   :p    No?  OK, then how about Daniel Abt?   :p   No?  Then how about Nelson Piquet Jr.?  Past champion and all!  :p  :wave:    



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Posted 04 November 2022 - 16:30

Hmm. That article appeared to edge towards criticism of how the FIA handled the tendering process back in 2019 and then pulled its punches. Is that fair?

Somewhat on this train of thought, Sam Smith is reporting in the Race today that Frederic Bertrand has resigned his post at the FIA as Director for Formula E. He has been a key figure involved in the technical specification and tendering process of both Gen2 and Gen3, among other things. I also have it in my head that he was the one who immediately defended FE after the Valencia late energy reduction debacle and basically blamed the drivers, much to the annoyance of Antonio Felix da Costa.  

 

The article says he will move to another role within motorsport (possibly Mahindra, of all places) and that there's a general shuffle going on within the FIA (not surprising with Ben Sulayem recently taking over from Jean Todt)... but one does wonder if he was slightly pushed before the Gen4 discussions get serious.

 

Will be interesting to see who the FIA appoint in his place. 

 

https://the-race.com...figure-resigns/



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Posted 04 November 2022 - 16:32

I think the negative articles have a good insight on the mood in the paddock, which seems to be that the FIA have under-invested in the capacity needed to deliver a world championship from their end.  They have done things to ensure financial stability on the manufacturer end, but the suppliers they are working with have not been invested in or scaled up to provide parts and support at the level of a world championship, but the teams are, under the rules, not able to pick up the slack so are stuck waiting for the FIA side to gets its stuff together and perceive that level of effort as inadequate.  

 

I think that might be a problem for the FIA going forward as they seem to not want to support the championship on that level, but clearly manufacturers do feel there is something there which is worthy of that level of support.  Either the FIA realizes it needs to match that level of ambition, or the series will face serious challenges to survival.  That doesn't mean Formula E would necessarily die, as I could see an CART-style move from the teams and manufacturers to go their own way, which would not be ideal, but honestly, either the FIA matches the level of the manufacturers, or they will find themselves without a lot of support very quickly.



#47 Risil

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Posted 04 November 2022 - 17:35

Has anybody tried to do spec components for something as complex as Formula E? I'm thinking of the problems Indycar had launching the DW12 but that was mostly about weight and handling and the cost of spare parts, which seem relatively straightforward compared to what the FIA are attempting with Gen 3. Maybe the new NASCAR?

#48 BRG

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Posted 04 November 2022 - 17:51

Given that the powertrain is free in FE (within regulatory limits) I don't see FE is any more complex than Indycars or Superformula, and perhaps less so than F2 and F3 where everything is spec.



#49 juicy sushi

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Posted 04 November 2022 - 19:13

Reading between the lines, the implication seems to be that the FIA chose to work with companies which didn't have the capacity or capabilities to deliver what the FE grid required, in terms of quality or timing.  So, basically, the FIA treated thing as small time, rather than something of the scale it actually was.


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Posted 05 November 2022 - 08:18

More testing for Porsche in Spain, ahead of the 2023 Team Presentation on November 7th

 

Wehrlein

 

"Our car gives good sensations at the wheel, i'm looking forward to see it with the official colours" 

 

Looks cool in black tho

 

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