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#1 statman

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 15:05

Season might be over, but the teams are staying in Abu Dhabi for the post-season test.
 
 
Tuesday and Wednesday with the following drivers:
 
 
Mercedes: Valtteri Bottas, George Russell
Ferrari: Sebastian Vettel, Charles Leclerc
Red Bull: Max Verstappen, Alexander Albon
Renault: Esteban Ocon, Esteban Ocon
Haas: Romain Grosjean, Pietro Fittipaldi
McLaren: Lando Norris, Carlos Sainz
Racing Point: Sergio Perez, Lance Stroll
Alfa Romeo: Kimi Raikkonen, Antonio Giovinazzi
Toro Rosso: Sean Geleal/Daniil Kvyat, Pierre Gasly
Williams: George Russell/Roy Nissany, Roy Nissany/Nicholas Latifi
 
 
updates will be provided through the various liveblogs on the websites of the major publications.
 
And as tradition, this forum will look only at the leaderboard and start claiming who's 'better' based on non-relevant data.  :smoking:


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#2 Tiakumosan

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 15:06

No need to run rookies?

#3 TomNokoe

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 15:07

Is this the last in-season test or the first pre-season test :rolleyes:



#4 JeePee

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 15:12

Is this the last in-season test or the first pre-season test :rolleyes:

It's the last in-season test, as teams can not run updates or try out things on their cars, which have to be the same as they raced them in Abu Dhabi.

 

They'll only test tyres, not cars.



#5 TomNokoe

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 15:24

It was a yoke!!!!! :clap:



#6 mangeliiito

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 16:58

Weird to see so many race drivers during test. Where is all the new guys?

#7 BRG

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 17:41

Weird to see so many race drivers during test. Where is all the new guys?

Aren't Roy Nissany and Sean Gelael enough for you?



#8 THEWALL

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 18:41

Thought it would be good to keep the 2019 compound because at one point in the season things were beginning to look more competitive. However, after the last race, I think a tyre change is a better hope for no Mercedes domination again in 2020. It could go either way, but at this point of desperation, random is better...



#9 FLB

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 00:33

Long interview with Ocon:

 

http://sport24.lefig...7e-ou-8e-984229 (en francais)



#10 HeadFirst

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 00:39

It was a yoke!!!!! :clap:

 

Trying to egg him on, you were? :p



#11 ARTGP

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 01:47

So I guess Ricciardo is tired of that pos RS19....  :rotfl:



#12 statman

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 09:36

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#13 ANF

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 10:04

Are the rears overheating already?

#14 Danyy

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 10:07

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#15 statman

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 10:56

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#16 Danyy

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 11:42

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#17 rodlamas

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 12:40

Is there a link?



#18 JeePee

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 13:00

Red Bull with the Mercedes approach.

 

Ominous.



#19 Marklar

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 13:01

Darshan Chokhani
8 Min.
We have Sergio Perez and Sebastian Vettel in the 100 club as well now, joining the three others. Also,
@RoyNissany has ventured out on track for his first laps in a #F1 car.
#AbuDhabiTest #F1Testing

To the surprise of no one lol
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Edited by Marklar, 03 December 2019 - 13:01.


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#20 Winterapfel

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 14:02

No comments yet from the drivers on the tires?

#21 Marklar

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 14:13

lol, Perez spun Vettel around

https://streamable.com/y5993

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No comments yet from the drivers on the tires?

it just finished, so we'll soon probably get something I reckon, if Pirelli allows it

Edited by Marklar, 03 December 2019 - 14:14.


#22 Otaku

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 14:30

 Wth are those things?

 

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#23 Winterapfel

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 14:47

Wth are those things?

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Tire temp sensors of I recall correctly

#24 JeePee

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 15:10

So... everybody slower than FP1 times. 

Conditions, or shittier tyres?



#25 Tiakumosan

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 15:14

How about the engines? They need to run the same PU that they used on the race, they can run a new one that has the same spec as the one used on the race, or they can run a new spec?

#26 Danyy

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 15:24

So... everybody slower than FP1 times.

Conditions, or shittier tyres?

https://www.motorspo...s-ocon/4606307/

They have a mix of 19/20 tyres but this also tells us what tyres they set the fastest time on

F2-C7-DC35-5926-43-C0-B06-F-566-AB51-E17

It doesn’t look like the 20 tyres are anything special by the looks of this though lol

Edited by Danyy, 03 December 2019 - 15:26.


#27 CPR

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 15:25

Here's McLaren's test report:
https://www.mclaren....abi-test-day-1/
 

“It’s a Pirelli test so obviously we’ve been trying out lots of tyres today, 2019 and 2020 compounds, and conducting back-to-back comparisons. Short performance runs but also long runs without changing anything on the car so that tyres can be compared.


I dunno if this'll be typical but looks like we won't be getting any comments from the drivers on the 2020 compounds.

#28 SonGoku

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 15:29

Max Verstappen couldn't get rid of them soon enough in Austin he told a journalist. I doubt it changed much here.

#29 JeePee

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 15:31

I dunno if this'll be typical but looks like we won't be getting any comments from the drivers on the 2020 compounds.

Which tells enough.

 

Since they're aloud to be positive, we'll hear it when they're positive. When it's silence...



#30 milestone 11

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 16:16

A 2020 C5 nearly a second slower than a '19 C4 doesn't bode well

#31 boomn

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 16:54

Before we get too worried about the raw pace, can someone remind me of the intent of the changes was for the new tires?  Am I right that the goal is a wider working range?  I hope that would mean we don't have teams that are unable to "switch the tires on" some weekends or even all year, and we don't have certain compounds that no one can use properly all weekend because they had to tailor the setup so much to make a different compound switch on properly.  I would rather have the slower tires if we can fix these kind of things



#32 TomNokoe

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 16:57

Was it even worth running Nissany at that pace



#33 speedx

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 17:16

A 2020 C5 nearly a second slower than a '19 C4 doesn't bode well


But if they can push/race with this new tires, I don't mind.

#34 rodlamas

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 17:28

A 2020 C5 nearly a second slower than a '19 C4 doesn't bode well

Do you know the fuel loads? Engine modes? It is fu*king testing!



#35 milestone 11

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 17:34

Do you?

#36 Atreiu

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 17:53

21 races and then testing must be torture for the teams.



#37 Marklar

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 18:18

apparently only Grosjean talked to the press, and he was not impressed

However, as the sole 2019 regular speaking to media after the opening day of running, GPDA director Grosjean indicated that his opinion “stayed in the same line” as after Austin.

Asked which spec he would prefer to race next year, he said: “I don’t know. It’s too early to say. But it shouldn’t really be a question, should it?

“That’s where we are. If you ask me right now, I don’t know. Depending on the track I would tell you one or the other. [But] this is not going to happen.

“After one year of development, you would like to be saying ‘I am going to race the 2020, no question’.”

[...]

Grosjean said that his team ran many comparisons between 2019 and 2020 versions of various compounds on Tuesday, adding that “some were close, some were far”.

“They [the 2020 tyres] are different,” Grosjean said. “There are some positives and there are some negatives.

“They did a big change. Again, we need to look at how we’ve been running the cars and make sure we are on the maximum of everything, but if you ask me if I’m very happy about the new tyres, and [if] this is going to solve some of the problems – the thermal degradation, sensitive to following another car – I just have to tell the truth. And no, it’s not going to change that problem fully.

“The degradation on some compounds was better. Being able to run lower pressures also helps you. So those are the positives. But it’s not what you would dream of.”

https://www.motorspo...impression=true

Edited by Marklar, 03 December 2019 - 18:21.


#38 THEWALL

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 18:18

Before we get too worried about the raw pace, can someone remind me of the intent of the changes was for the new tires?  Am I right that the goal is a wider working range?  I hope that would mean we don't have teams that are unable to "switch the tires on" some weekends or even all year, and we don't have certain compounds that no one can use properly all weekend because they had to tailor the setup so much to make a different compound switch on properly.  I would rather have the slower tires if we can fix these kind of things

As long as they are not based on the tyres that worked better for Mercedes than others, anything is an evolution. 



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Posted 03 December 2019 - 18:21

As long as they are not based on the tyres that worked better for Mercedes than others, anything is an evolution. 

as long as Mercedes keep doing a great job understanding the tyres and designing a great all around car - nothing will change



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#40 THEWALL

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 20:54

as long as Mercedes keep doing a great job understanding the tyres and designing a great all around car - nothing will change


Understanding lobbying I would say.

#41 Heyli

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 20:56

apparently only Grosjean talked to the press, and he was not impressed

https://www.motorspo...impression=true

The 2nd part seems a lot more positive though...? Or am I misunderstanding?



#42 Marklar

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 20:58

Understanding lobbying I would say.

Well, they managed to turn things around after struggling with the tyres massively in early 2017 for instance, without any changes. It's definitely possible if you have the resources.



#43 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 21:04

Understanding lobbying I would say.

that;s just a very good excuse to cover the bad jobs others did



#44 Marklar

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 23:09

Christian Menath from Motorsport-Magazin (Germany) said that many believe that Pirelli mandated lower tyre pressures for the 2020 tyres than the 2019 tyres in order to lure teams into deciding for the 2020 tyre.

Only Grosjean and Ocon talked, Grosjean was critical; Ocon avoided the tyre topic entirely.

So he asked engineers and they say that the tyres have similar issues as the 2019 tyres (overheating, etc.), but that they are on top of it much slower (some say up to a second), though he thinks that it's maybe down to them having more experience with the 2019 tyres, so that they could be naturally biased.

He thinks that the lack of media sessions is down to political reasons: If a driver says that the tyre is good and then the team discovers that the tyre isnt to the teams liking it would look odd if they vote against it.



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Posted 04 December 2019 - 00:00

https://www.motorspo...s-ocon/4606307/

They have a mix of 19/20 tyres but this also tells us what tyres they set the fastest time on

F2-C7-DC35-5926-43-C0-B06-F-566-AB51-E17

It doesn’t look like the 20 tyres are anything special by the looks of this though lol

 


Cars were designed and optimised for the 19 tyres though.

#46 Danyy

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 00:39

Cars were designed and optimised for the 19 tyres though.


What were the 2020 tyres designed and optimised for? A double decker bus?

#47 William Hunt

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 05:14

don't get why Nissany is wasting money on testing an F1 car when he will never race in one (well probably goes for Gelael too)



#48 Widefoot2

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 07:44

The names Mercedes and Pirelli will be written on the tombstone of Formula One.



#49 CoolBreeze

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 08:12

I don;'t think Romain's comments must be taken seriously. I mean this dude whines at every damn thing. 



#50 ViMaMo

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 08:47

What were the 2020 tyres designed and optimised for? A double decker bus?


Looking at the length of that Mercedes, seems like it was huh?! Lol

Edited by ViMaMo, 04 December 2019 - 08:47.