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#1 Kraze

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:27

I guess the main reason Felipe Massa continued at Ferrari was because no other aspiring F1 drivers were willing to join a team as a no. 2 driver whose only job is to help Alonso. No.2 seats are for drivers who desperately wants to stay in F1 at any cost and Massa fits the bill perfectly.


Here are a few quotes from the link posted below

McLaren new recruit Sergio Perez has revealed that, whilst a Sauber driver, Ferrari often asked him to “take care” of Fernando Alonso and provide him with easy passage when and if the opportunity arose

The Mexican’s comments will ramp up speculation that the famous Italian team uses its political links in the paddock for a performance advantage

Last year, when I was communicating with Ferrari, they often asked me to take care of Alonso, but I don’t know if they asked just me or the whole grid.”



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#2 kosmos

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:36

This is an assumption made by yallaf1 and not a fact:

and provide him with easy passage when and if the opportunity arose


The only thing Checo said in the original interview in Spanish is:

que cuidara de Alonso


To begin with, it makes zero sense in Spanish, so probably is a Mexican thing.


Ferrari didn't ask him to let Alonso pass, they asked him to be careful around Alonso, like not crashing into him kind of thing.


Let the bashing fest begin.





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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:37

Nothing new, Sauber's have always moved out of the way, but, so do Toro Rosso, even worse cos they do it blatantly.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:41

First of all, Perez comment should be confirmed by him. Then, when it is known what, if something, exactly did Ferrari ask him, if it is confirmed that Sauber was a kind of Ferrari B team, we should talk about whether it is good to have such teams in the grid. My opinion is that it is not good, but if it has to be so, it should be done openly.

But before this turns into a bash fest, Perez comments should be confirmed.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:42

Nothing new, Sauber's have always moved out of the way, but, so do Toro Rosso, even worse cos they do it blatantly.

+1 :up:

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:50


not good for Kamui, I dont remember he was particularly nicer to Ferrari. :cat:

He even crashed into the side of Massa at Valencia last year :lol:

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:51

Nothing new, Sauber's have always moved out of the way, but, so do Toro Rosso, even worse cos they do it blatantly.


And at least Ferrari doesn't say they wouldn't do that while actually doing it as RBR and subsidiaries do.

About Perez remarks... An attempt to deviate attention from his 11th in Australia? Anyway, I'll concede this could be another marevellous taking things out of context provoked by people getting lost in translations..

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:55

How is this any worse than what happend at Monaco GP 2011??

" Hamilton felt both Toro Rosso drivers, Jaime Alguersuari and Sebastien Buemi, were slow to get out of his way when being lapped in Barcelona last weekend, yet were quick to move aside for race winner Sebastian Vettel.

The Briton eventually finished 0.6 seconds behind Red Bull’s championship leader. The allegations were rejected as “preposterous” by a Toro Rosso spokesman.

However, McLaren's Hamilton, who said he had raised the issue with his McLaren team, claimed the same thing occurred in Abu Dhabi at the final race of last season.

“That kind of thing shouldn’t happen because they are not really supposed to be a sister team are they?” Hamilton said.

“Definitely in the last race in Spain there was some of that — all of a sudden moving in my way — which caused a bigger gap. They let him past and held me up for the next couple of corners. "
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Its a non issue (its not cricket but its there) .... as long as there is "sister teams" in the case of T and engine manufacturers supplying other teams there will be certain sharing of data and expectations that back-markers being lapped wont be a nuisance for the other team by blocking etc ...

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:59

Ferrari often asked him to “take care” of Fernando Alonso



as he duly did in canada and monza....

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 08:02

not good for Kamui, I dont remember he was particularly nicer to Ferrari. :cat:

He even crashed into the side of Massa at Valencia last year :lol:


Why would Ferrari care about that, Massa isn't their Chosen One.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 08:08

How is this any worse than what happend at Monaco GP 2011??

" Hamilton felt both Toro Rosso drivers, Jaime Alguersuari and Sebastien Buemi, were slow to get out of his way when being lapped in Barcelona last weekend, yet were quick to move aside for race winner Sebastian Vettel.

The Briton eventually finished 0.6 seconds behind Red Bull’s championship leader. The allegations were rejected as “preposterous” by a Toro Rosso spokesman.

However, McLaren's Hamilton, who said he had raised the issue with his McLaren team, claimed the same thing occurred in Abu Dhabi at the final race of last season.

“That kind of thing shouldn’t happen because they are not really supposed to be a sister team are they?” Hamilton said.

“Definitely in the last race in Spain there was some of that — all of a sudden moving in my way — which caused a bigger gap. They let him past and held me up for the next couple of corners. "
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Its a non issue (its not cricket but its there) .... as long as there is "sister teams" in the case of T and engine manufacturers supplying other teams there will be certain sharing of data and expectations that back-markers being lapped wont be a nuisance for the other team by blocking etc ...

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:55

Ferrari asked Perez to 'take care' of Alonso.

http://www.motorspor...care-of-alonso/

This is an interesting inside comment on what goes no behind the scenes. "Last year, when I was communicating with Ferrari, they often asked me to take care of Alonso, but I don't know if they asked just me or the whole grid."

Does anybody have any insight into what he means by Ferrari asking Perez to 'take care' of Alonso? Why was he communicating with Ferrari whilst driving with Sauber? Some part of the engine deal?

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 13:00

I'm sure the Toro Rosso camp are asked to take care of Vettel and Webber. So why not?

Edited by gm914, 19 March 2013 - 13:07.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 13:02

Ferrari asked Perez to 'take care' of Alonso.

http://www.motorspor...care-of-alonso/

This is an interesting inside comment on what goes no behind the scenes. "Last year, when I was communicating with Ferrari, they often asked me to take care of Alonso, but I don't know if they asked just me or the whole grid."

Does anybody have any insight into what he means by Ferrari asking Perez to 'take care' of Alonso? Why was he communicating with Ferrari whilst driving with Sauber? Some part of the engine deal?


He was in talks with them for their second seat, during these conversations they probably stressed to take special care not to make contact with Alonso during the race.


#15 apexpredator

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 13:04

Ferrari asked Perez to 'take care' of Alonso.

http://www.motorspor...care-of-alonso/

This is an interesting inside comment on what goes no behind the scenes. "Last year, when I was communicating with Ferrari, they often asked me to take care of Alonso, but I don't know if they asked just me or the whole grid."

Does anybody have any insight into what he means by Ferrari asking Perez to 'take care' of Alonso? Why was he communicating with Ferrari whilst driving with Sauber? Some part of the engine deal?


I'm guessing as a Ferrari academy driver at the time, Ferrari told him to be aware of Alonso and not do anything to jeopardise his/their championship battle. If push comes to shove they don't want Perez bumping shoulders with Alonso on the track. Much in the same way that the Torro Rosso drivers are probably told to do the same with Vettel, or at least it looks that way every time Vettel comes up behind them.

Personally I don't think it's a big deal if teams use alliances on the grid, it would be quite naive of us to think it doesn't happen.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 13:32

The commentary, or Ted Kravitz perhaps, has mentioned more than once that teams are preferring the Renault or Merc engines because they know they are allowed to race the factory team.

And it certainly fits with the radio to Perez in China last year which needlessly undermined him...

I don't see it as the same situation as Red Bull / Toro Rosso. Would we want to see Kimi being told to move over for Sebi? I don't think so.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 13:34

The commentary, or Ted Kravitz perhaps, has mentioned more than once that teams are preferring the Renault or Merc engines because they know they are allowed to race the factory team.

And it certainly fits with the radio to Perez in China last year which needlessly undermined him...

I don't see it as the same situation as Red Bull / Toro Rosso. Would we want to see Kimi being told to move over for Sebi? I don't think so.


This

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 15:35

We have been asked to reopen the thread on the basis that we have a reputable source for the information in a Marco Canseco long interview for Marca;

http://www.marca.com...1363533816.html

Translation of question:

"Talking about Fernando, do you think drivers have a different attitude when they see him in the mirror than when they see Vettel? Because in Abu Dhabi last year they were getting out of his way."

Translation of answer:

"You should ask this question one by one. In my case it´s not like that, I treat everyone the same. Last year I had communication with Ferrari, and they often asked me to take care of Alonso, I don´t know if they do this with everyone. I don´t care if it´s Vettel or Alonso behind, I would only yield to my current teammate if that gave the team a better result."

Please try and keep to the facts as outlined in this part of the interview and please do not troll. If the subject of the discussion distresses you, I suggest that you avoid responding.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 15:42

The commentary, or Ted Kravitz perhaps, has mentioned more than once that teams are preferring the Renault or Merc engines because they know they are allowed to race the factory team.

And it certainly fits with the radio to Perez in China last year which needlessly undermined him...

I don't see it as the same situation as Red Bull / Toro Rosso. Would we want to see Kimi being told to move over for Sebi? I don't think so.

Have you ever seen Perez move over for Alonso? Because his attitude in, say, Canada or Monza last year certainly is miles away from any type of team orders and in its light the claim that the radio to Perez in Malaysia (I assume the reference to China is a mistake, otherwise please let me know) was in any way related to a Ferrari request lacks all credibility.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 15:48

Under normal race circumstances there is just about no chance that Perez in his Sauber would have been in front of Alonso except while he was out of pit sequence or being lapped...

So .. the "take care" ( if it was said) would much rather have been .... take care when Alonso need to pass you .... how else would he take care of Alonso????

I repeat an earlier question of mine how is this different than what Torro Rosso is blatantly doing for RBR?

Edited by ZuTiMa, 19 March 2013 - 15:49.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 15:51

Have you ever seen Perez move over for Alonso? Because his attitude in, say, Canada or Monza last year certainly is miles away from any type of team orders and in its light the claim that the radio to Perez in Malaysia (I assume the reference to China is a mistake, otherwise please let me know) was in any way related to a Ferrari request lacks all credibility.

This was never going to be a request over team radio.

I don't think it matters whether Perez did or did not ever move over for Alonso. It's possible for them to have never been in the position where it was necessary. The issue is that Perez says he was asked to take care of Alonso (often). Do you think that is reasonable and to be expected or unsporting and dastardly?

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 15:53

I'm bothered by the usage of "often" more than anything else, really. I can easily imagine someone from Ferrari "jokingly" dropping a hint about not ramming Alonso ("we know where you live, haha"). But to do it repeatedly would imply they were speaking directly about the matter.

I imagine "take care of" is used as in "be wary of". ("take care not to bang your head on that beam"). but there are less charitable interpretations.

Whether they singled out Perez or said the same to all young drivers, is irrelevant really, from where I'm sitting. It points to the same ruthlessness.

Also odd is that it isn't "take care of the Ferrari cars", as in both red cars. It's just Alonso. They would have lost nothing by asking him to take care of both Ferrari cars; it's not like Perez would say OK to one but draw the line at both cars.

Edited by boldhakka, 19 March 2013 - 15:58.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 15:59

This is nothing different than Vergne letting Webber pass him in Melbourne last weekend.

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#24 kosmos

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:02

As I said before, "que cuidara" in the context and using the Spanish language makes zero sense, it's a thing of the Spanish they use in Mexico, it's should be translated as "be careful" and not "take care".

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:03

This was never going to be a request over team radio.

I don't think it matters whether Perez did or did not ever move over for Alonso. It's possible for them to have never been in the position where it was necessary. The issue is that Perez says he was asked to take care of Alonso (often). Do you think that is reasonable and to be expected or unsporting and dastardly?

Is it to be expected that a guy in the Ferrari drivers academy is told, when in touch with Ferrari, that they'd like him not to crash one of their cars out? I'd say yes, what would you say? Is that the same thing as telling them to give way to the red cars? No, I think it is miles away. Was Perez in a position to move over for Alonso or Massa at any point in time? Yes indeed, unless overtaking Alonso at Canada with two laps to go or overtaking both Ferraris at Monza in the last ten laps is to be considered irrelevant for the purpose of this discussion - which I don't think it is.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:06

I'm bothered by the usage of "often" more than anything else, really. I can easily imagine someone from Ferrari "jokingly" dropping a hint about not ramming Alonso ("we know where you live, haha"). But to do it repeatedly would imply they were speaking directly about the matter.

I imagine "take care of" is used as in "be wary of". ("take care not to bang your head on that beam"). but there are less charitable interpretations.

Whether they singled out Perez or said the same to all young drivers, is irrelevant really, from where I'm sitting. It points to the same ruthlessness.

Also odd is that it isn't "take care of the Ferrari cars", as in both red cars. It's just Alonso. They would have lost nothing by asking him to take care of both Ferrari cars; it's not like Perez would say OK to one but draw the line at both cars.

He was asked a direct question that involved only Vettel and Alonso. Do you really find it very strange that he replies naming those same two drivers?

I really think that this is much ado about nothing in light of Perez's actions during 2012 and his different fights for position, often successful, with the Ferraris.

Edited by Fontainebleau, 19 March 2013 - 16:07.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:10

As I said before, "que cuidara" in the context and using the Spanish language makes zero sense, it's a thing of the Spanish they use in Mexico, it's should be translated as "be careful" and not "take care".


Of course it does. "Me dijeron que cuidara de mi hermano" is a perfectly constructed sentence making perfect sense. It´s not a south american phrase or anything, I´m Spanish and it makes perfect sense.

On topic, I don´t think this is news for anyone. Everyone has allies in the grid. RB has theirs. Ferrari has theirs. We all knew this stuff happens. I would like to take advantage of this to take shot at those acting as if only RB had allies and friends over the grid, everyone has. RB has TR and Vettel´s personal friends (engine partners stuff is total nonsense), Ferrari has Sauber and Alonso´s friends. Sure, right now RB enjoys advantage in this area (just as Ferrari had in the past over McLaren), but everyone plays this game, so let´s not pretend this born with RB and Vettel.

BTW, I´d like to see Canseco´s face when he tried to get a cheap shot on Vettel and got THIS answer :lol: Now that´s a fail.

Edited by Skinnyguy, 19 March 2013 - 16:11.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:13

Of course it does. "Me dijeron que cuidara de mi hermano" is a perfectly constructed sentence making perfect sense. It´s not a south american phrase or anything, I´m Spanish and it makes perfect sense.

On topic, I don´t think this is news for anyone. Everyone has allies in the grid. RB has theirs. Ferrari has theirs. We all knew this stuff happens. I would like to take advantage of this to take shot at those acting as if only RB had allies and friends over the grid, everyone has. RB has TR and Vettel´s personal friends (engine partners stuff is total nonsense), Ferrari has Sauber and Alonso´s friends. Sure, right now RB enjoys advantage in this area (just as Ferrari had in the past over McLaren), but everyone plays this game, so let´s not pretend this born with RB and Vettel.

BTW, I´d like to see Canseco´s face when he tried to get a cheap shot on Vettel and got THIS answer :lol: Now that´s a fail.

On that I disagree with you; the day that we see a TR overtake or in any way present any type of battle to a RB, we'll start talking about similar issues. But I only have to remind you of Marko's famous video scolding Alguersuari for not having yielded way to Vettel during a FP to make the point that they go way over the top with their inter-team orders (Marko's definition, not mine).

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:16

Is it to be expected that a guy in the Ferrari drivers academy is told, when in touch with Ferrari, that they'd like him not to crash one of their cars out? I'd say yes, what would you say? Is that the same thing as telling them to give way to the red cars? No, I think it is miles away. .


Actually, it should be obvious for a driver in the Ferrari drivers academy to be careful not to crash into any car, let alone a red one. Both Ferrari and Perez know this (that it is obvious, and doesn't need to be discussed). So, the request had to have had a little more meaning than to simply suggest avoiding crashing into Alonso's car.

Perhaps something in between the two extremes you discuss?

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:17

Oh, and I fully agree that Canseco was probably expecting a different answer, but kudos to him for not having tried to hide the one he got in any possible way, so any mockery is quite undeserved.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:18

Being asked to be careful around a leader, as a back marker. Nothing out of the ordinary that I can see here to be honest.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:19

Actually, it should be obvious for a driver in the Ferrari drivers academy to be careful not to crash into any car, let alone a red one. Both Ferrari and Perez know this (that it is obvious, and doesn't need to be discussed). So, the request had to have had a little more meaning than to simply suggest avoiding crashing into Alonso's car.

Perhaps something in between the two extremes you discuss?

Do you care to explain Monza and Canada, then? Because I am at a loss as to what you think Ferrari was trying to get from the Sauber driver.

#33 barnardferrari

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:21

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Take care of him?

Did anyone else think of that first when you read the thread title?

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:22

Ferrari and RedBull are evil.
Moving on.

#35 boldhakka

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:22

Do you care to explain Monza and Canada, then? Because I am at a loss as to what you think Ferrari was trying to get from the Sauber driver.


Well the easiest explanation is that Perez ignored the request.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:23

On that I disagree with you; the day that we see a TR overtake or in any way present any type of battle to a RB, we'll start talking about similar issues. But I only have to remind you of Marko's famous video scolding Alguersuari for not having yielded way to Vettel during a FP to make the point that they go way over the top with their inter-team orders (Marko's definition, not mine).


Happy to agree to disagree. It´s just the same kind of relationship. That somehow we ended with more opportunities to see one link than another does not change the fact that both links exist and they both would give similar outcomes as a result WHEN the correct situation emerges.

All I say is that those acting as if only RB played this game, and they got an unfair advantage, do have short memory/are not experienced or objective fans. RB gets the most benefit of this game right now because he has more allies (teammate + sister team + friends sum is higher for him than for others), but others have had the edge here it in the past. And to be fair, it´s the friends factor making Seb´s benefits higher until this point, at least until now, as Schumavher is a big lost here. Also to be here, he has a handicap in the teammate factor, as Webber will start playing his game only when things are totally lost for him and even then he´ll be less of a help than Felipe, he´ll have a worse disposition to help.

I´d also like to warn those acting as if this is exclusive game from Ferrari than they´re totally wrong too.

Everyone plays this game.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:23

"Take care of Alonso" still sounds mild compared to the video I saw where Marko was slagging off some STR driver (Jamie or someone else..)

I'm sure this is just a translation issue... otherwise, this ranks among the dumbest moves/comments, yet.

Wonder what Vergne and Ricciardo would answer to the same question?



#38 kosmos

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:25

Of course it does. "Me dijeron que cuidara de mi hermano" is a perfectly constructed sentence making perfect sense. It´s not a south american phrase or anything, I´m Spanish and it makes perfect sense.


No, it makes zero sense, you ask to "cuidar" of your little brother or your wife, in the context of that interview it makes zero sense. I didn't say that "cuidar" was a Mexican thing, I say that with that context it has a different meaning because Mexican and other languages use Spanish in a different way that the "raw" Spanish (from Spain).


You should check the meaning of the verb "cuidar" in the REAL ACADEMIA ESPAÑOLA.


http://lema.rae.es/drae/








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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:25

Oh, and I fully agree that Canseco was probably expecting a different answer, but kudos to him for not having tried to hide the one he got in any possible way, so any mockery is quite undeserved.


Don´t you think the question is sick and dirty whatever the outcome was? Sure, he was a man after what he got. But surely being a crap journalist making sick questions (just like those britts bullying Alonso in press conferences not too long ago) must still be a factor to give him serious stick and mock him.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:26

The commentary, or Ted Kravitz perhaps, has mentioned more than once that teams are preferring the Renault or Merc engines because they know they are allowed to race the factory team.

And it certainly fits with the radio to Perez in China last year which needlessly undermined him...

I don't see it as the same situation as Red Bull / Toro Rosso. Would we want to see Kimi being told to move over for Sebi? I don't think so.


Firstly it was Malaysia, not China. But that radio message is pure speculation. People conveniently forget that Perez passed Alonso straight away at Monza for 2nd place, demoting Alonso to 3rd and 'costing' him 3 points. So how does that fit in with your speculation?

Also it's not about the engines though is it, it's about the fact that Perez was a Ferrari academy driver, to the extent that he would even be using the Ferrari simulator. So to use Kimi as an example just because he's with an engine that Vettel has is a completely different thing.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:29

Nothing new there, it just confirms that the black kettle is always around the corner. I find it just amusing how the same people who first defended the 'dirty tricks' with Massa, cried murder over some TR moves are now full out in force to play down a very clear statement which confirms something which has been already widly known.

In F1 such things have happended even more often before the current era. People should not be surprised by them.

Edited by H2H, 19 March 2013 - 16:29.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:29

This is nothing different than Vergne letting Webber pass him in Melbourne last weekend.

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I dont think anyone saying it is different to RBR/STR. Just because another team show some evidence of also doing it, that doesnt mean there isnt a discussion to be had on the subject.

On the actual subject then, it comes down to what is meant by 'take care of Alonso'.

Does that simply mean 'dont drive into him, dont take risks, dont hold him up when being lapped'? Or does it mean 'move over and yield if he is behind or dont attack if he is in front'? Does it go on from there and mean 'disrupt opponents of Alonso'?

If its the first one, then fine. No issue for me. Makes sense really if Ferrari have a dialogue with a driver they would say that. I would expect any team too. Its almost common sense if you want a drive with a team not to take their drivers out.

If it either of the others - then thats not cricket. I dont care if its Ferrari or RBR or McLaren with an FI or Marussia. Its shouldnt happen. You compete with 2 cars in a team against everyone else evenly in my book. Aligences between teams accross the grid is not part of F1 that I have seen until recently and shouldnt be allowed to become so.

Its also worth remembering Perez wont exactly be inclined to deliver any good headlines about Ferrari now he's a McLaren driver.

Edited by Burtros, 19 March 2013 - 16:29.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:29

No, it makes zero sense, you ask to "cuidar" of your little brother or your wife, in the context of that interview it makes zero sense. I didn't say that "cuidar" was a Mexican thing, I say that with that context it has a different meaning because Mexican and other languages use Spanish in a different way that the "raw" Spanish (from Spain).


You should check the meaning of the verb "cuidar" in the REAL ACADEMIA ESPAÑOLA.


http://lema.rae.es/drae/


Uh? What? What´s wrong with your Spanish? Product of the ESO, maybe? :lol:

"Cuidar" is perfectly OK for sporting allies matters too, it makes perfect sense in the scenario we got: "Te dije que cuidaras de Alberto en el pelotón cuando se enfilara por el viento". I´ve been told that loads of times.

#44 SunnyENTP

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:30

Perez talks too much! I guess they found a good replacement for Lewis.

#45 Fontainebleau

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:31

Well the easiest explanation is that Perez ignored the request.

No; the easiest explanation is that there was never any request to give way, just the typical "don't do anything crazy around our cars". The explanation you provide is the one that paints Ferrari in the worst possible light, even if that was not your intention.

#46 fabr68

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:32

Perez should ask Alguesuari what happens if you dare to get on the track when Vettel is running during Friday practice.

#47 boldhakka

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:35

No; the easiest explanation is that there was never any request to give way, just the typical "don't do anything crazy around our cars". The explanation you provide is the one that paints Ferrari in the worst possible light, even if that was not your intention.


I meant easiest for me to explain Canada and Monza, given my earlier premise. Well you asked me for an explanation, and I gave one. No worries.

It's easiest because it's exactly what Perez says in the interview - that even though he was asked, he would ignore it and yield only for his teammate under the right conditions.

There's a reason Perez brings up that request from Ferrari, in response to that specific question and the example in that question. He didn't randomly bring it up. That tells us what his own interpretation of the Ferrari request was.

Edited by boldhakka, 19 March 2013 - 16:38.


#48 SpaMaster

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:38

This was never going to be a request over team radio.

I don't think it matters whether Perez did or did not ever move over for Alonso. It's possible for them to have never been in the position where it was necessary. The issue is that Perez says he was asked to take care of Alonso (often). Do you think that is reasonable and to be expected or unsporting and dastardly?

That is plain crooked. Asking a guy they were negotiating with for next year's set to take care of Alonso is as underhanded as it gets. There is a reason why Ferrari is called the Dark Side even in the darkest of the worlds that is F1.

Is it to be expected that a guy in the Ferrari drivers academy is told, when in touch with Ferrari, that they'd like him not to crash one of their cars out? I'd say yes, what would you say? Is that the same thing as telling them to give way to the red cars? No, I think it is miles away. Was Perez in a position to move over for Alonso or Massa at any point in time? Yes indeed, unless overtaking Alonso at Canada with two laps to go or overtaking both Ferraris at Monza in the last ten laps is to be considered irrelevant for the purpose of this discussion - which I don't think it is.

It does not matter what Perez did. What matters is what Ferrari asked of Perez.

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BTW, I´d like to see Canseco´s face when he tried to get a cheap shot on Vettel and got THIS answer :lol: Now that´s a fail.

+1 :lol:

Edited by SpaMaster, 19 March 2013 - 16:45.


#49 kosmos

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:42

Uh? What? What´s wrong with your Spanish? Product of the ESO, maybe? :lol:

"Cuidar" is perfectly OK for sporting allies matters too, it makes perfect sense in the scenario we got: "Te dije que cuidaras de Alberto en el pelotón cuando se enfilara por el viento". I´ve been told that loads of times.



I think you need to get the graduado escolar or argue with the RAE, not me ;). If you want to discuss about language we can do it in private, we don't want to turn this topic into a language war because it has another purpose.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:43

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Take care of him?

Did anyone else think of that first when you read the thread title?

+1 :lol: