306 replies to this topic

[Smile17]

To be honest, you can bet on it.

[TurboF1]

He's got to win at least one more.

[Kingshark]

He lost this championship by 3 points, and 2010 by 4 points, so apparently he might not win another championship again?

He will probably retire as a 3-time WDC and 45 time race winner. Just my two cents.

[Pinch]

Depends entirely on how Ferrari do with the upcoming car in 2013 and the major shake-up in 2014. He certainly has the capability to do it, has won 2 and got close on 3 other occasions.

[TigersWood]

Of course he will. Without a doubt.

I think he will win 5 championships.

Who do I think won't win another? Lewis Hamilton. But who knows.

[Bruce]

Does it matter? As long as he puts in seasons like he did this past year, he'll be viewed as one of the most talented guys in the sport.

[fastdriver]

pacificquay, on Nov 26 2012, 16:29, said:

Six seasons completed now without Alonso winning the world championship.

I can't immediately think of another driver who added a title after such a gap, so history is not on his side.

What do you think?

Dear g*d I certainly hope not.

[LiJu914]

pacificquay, on Nov 26 2012, 14:29, said:

Six seasons completed now without Alonso winning the world championship.

I can't immediately think of another driver who added a title after such a gap, so history is not on his side.

What do you think?

A certain Austrian comes to my mind, unless you referred only to active seasons.

[apoka]

Assuming he races 5 years for Ferrari and then calls it a day and he has a 30% chance to win the title each year (good driver in a top team), there is a 83% chance that he will win another title.

[miniman]

with Massa's acquiescence he will have a much better chance of winning again than Vettel with Webber as a teammate

[Sammyosammy]

Oh yes he will. FIA will hand one for him on a silver platter if not otherwise.

[F1Champion]

Unless Lotus produce a quick car it will be Alonso vs Vettel in 2013. Next year was probably Hamilton's best year to win a WDC if he stayed with McLaren, then he could have switched to RB in 14/15 when Seb goes to Ferrari.

Edited by F1Champion, 26 November 2012 - 19:55.

[spacekid]

Well Alonso certainly has the talent, and Ferrari at the moment don't appear to be any less than competent. Even after a shaky start this year they showed me they have a team to get the job done. How long has Alonso got left to do it realistically - 4/5 years? I think he will.

[valachus]

He'll win again. Lewis moving to Mercedes gives him an excellent chance next year. Also as the world economic crisis will sadly continue or even worsen, I'm afraid, there will be effects in F1 too. And Ferrari seem ATM to be best positioned, financially and logistically, in F1, so I wouldn't be surprised if they'll have another long dominant streak of back-to-back WDCs and WCCs, maybe even more drastic than the 2000-2004 interval.

[fisssssi]

With a bit of luck and just 11 (!) more points, Alonso would already be a 5-time champion.

So yes he will win again, and hopefully more than once.

[pacificquay]

David Lawson, on Nov 26 2012, 16:13, said:

Jack Brabham champion in 1959, 1960 and six years later 1966

David

That's only 5 seasons without the title

[DutchQuicksilver]

Of course Alonso will win another title. He's just had a lot of bad luck since his last title. In 2007 he would have won the title if McLaren had backed him a lot more. But no, McLaren messed it up tactically by allowing both drivers to attack each other on track. Alonso didn't feel welcome at McLaren anymore, but after seeing 2008 he would have had the title in the bag, had he'd stayed.

We all know what happened in 2008 and 2009. Alonso sought refuge at his former team, which fell down the order. No title winning car at all and it was just a temporary solution for Alonso until a Ferrari slot was open.

He would have won the 2010 title as well if he wasn't so fixated on Webber at the last race.

I can't imagine Ferrari not winning a title until 2017, just don't see it happening. So yes, of course Alonso will win another title, it will be with Ferrari in the next few years.

[Kucki]

If he keeps on driving like this probably not. Interlagos, Korea and Austin slower then Massa when it was the most important time for him to be fast he could not deliver. Vettel going to replace him soon.

Edited by Kucki, 26 November 2012 - 21:10.

[tifosiMac]

Not sure about an answer to the thread but will this forum always attract such stupid questions for a thread. Knee jerk reactions pop up here weekly.

[dplayerx]

Although I'm not too enthusiastic about Fernando as a person, I have to say that he's an outstanding driver who's always dangerous, no matter in which car or position he starts a race, similar to Michael Schumacher in his prime. It's just a feeling I have; I also felt genuinely sorry for him after the race last Sunday. The disappointment in his eyes after the 2nd WDC was lost by only a few points was just...I don't know...but not everyone can be happy at the end of a formula one season I guess.

Being - or having been - a Schumacher fan since the beginning of his Ferrari days I'm quite familiar with the feeling of losing WDCs in the last race, from a fan's perspective of course , as it happened in 97 and 98. 99 was a different story, although it lengthened the suffering just as well for another year. During that time and especially in the midst of 2000, after he had lost that spectacular Spa race against Mika Hakkinen, many people wondered if he would ever achive a WDC with Ferrari at all.

Looking back, I think these years of suffering only contributed to his legend, simply because it strengthened the bond between him and his fans so much. Would it have been the same if he'd won his first or second season with Ferrari straight away ? I seriously don't think so.

So although I'm ambivalent about whether he deserves another title as a person, he definately deserves it as a driver, and looking at Michael's history, I don't think everything is lost yet.

Edited by dplayerx, 26 November 2012 - 21:16.

[fisssssi]

And to everyone in this thread who says he doesn't deserve another one, seriously?? What's wrong with you people? It feels like you're not just disrespecting him but F1 as a whole. He's been the class of the field for almost 10 years.

And to everyone who think lesser of him because poor Felipe was asked to move out his way a few times at the end of the season, go have a read of these threads:

• Perez not yet ready for Ferrari seat
• "Pérez too inexperienced for Ferrari" *cough cough*, Luca's loose tongue
• Could Heidfeld profit from Massa's demise?
• Perez to Ferrari in mid season, is a good idea?
• Will Massa finish the season with Ferrari? Replacements?
• Massa's Last Chance

... and remember what people were saying about Massa until just a few months ago. Probably the same fickle people praising him now.

Massa was nowhere for three quarters of this season. Suddenly he puts in a few good performances at the end of the season and now he's the golden boy again. Meanwhile Alonso was there at the start, he was there in the middle and he was there at the end. 12 podiums, no championship. Give the guy a break.

[crespo]

JRodrigues, on Nov 26 2012, 10:32, said:

I don't have a crystal ball, but I hope not.

swerved, on Nov 26 2012, 10:39, said:

Hopefully not, but if he doesn't it will be someone else's fault. I'd like to see Ferrari get back to winning ways though.

The Kanisteri, on Nov 26 2012, 10:54, said:

I hope no. Bad man deserves bad karma.

icewest07, on Nov 26 2012, 11:07, said:

...I hope he never wins again as long as he stays at Ferrari! I will never forget how they treated Kimi to hand Fernando "the better development driver" Alonso that seat.
Things got even worse with how they treated Felipe to make that spanish Brat look like Gold or God!

Fastcake, on Nov 26 2012, 11:20, said:

Maybe. Who knows if he's going to get a good car from Ferrari? I don't want him too however.

choyothe, on Nov 26 2012, 11:26, said:

Hopefully not, but he definitely has the tools to do so.

darkkis, on Nov 26 2012, 13:12, said:

I hope he never wins a title again. Massa would really deserve it more...

I'm an Alonso fan, but I wouldn't wish against any other driver ever winning a championship in their careers. That's just poor class.

[Tombstone]

I have no problem with Alonso winning another title.

As long as it isn't with ferrari.

Edited by Tombstone, 26 November 2012 - 21:41.

[Bruce]

crespo, on Nov 26 2012, 16:20, said:

I'm an Alonso fan, but I wouldn't wish against any other driver ever winning a championship in their careers. That's just poor class.

Thank you. Well said.

[Bruce]

Tombstone, on Nov 26 2012, 16:40, said:

I have no problem with Alonso winning another title.

As long as it isn't with ferrari.

I'd love to see Alonso win one with McLaren. But I don't think it's going to happen.

[RedFury]

Don't think it's as much up to him as it for Ferrari to give him wheels he can consistently win with. Provided they do, of course he will. Proof: this season, 3 points away from winning it all with a car that was competitive (not tops) in about a third of the races but far from in the last third of the season.

[Arry2k]

I believe he will.

[Barri]

I wish Ferrari would allow Massa to race Fernando. That will get Alonso angry and bring the best out him! That will push the team forward get the car faster, and more WCC points! Holding Massa back has done no good to Ferrari...Alonso needs to feel the pressure from his teammate! and YES! Massa can do it!

[crespo]

Barri, on Nov 26 2012, 18:34, said:

I wish Ferrari would allow Massa to race Fernando. That will get Alonso angry and bring the best out him! That will push the team forward get the car faster, and more WCC points! Holding Massa back has done no good to Ferrari...Alonso needs to feel the pressure from his teammate! and YES! Massa can do it!

So when, exactly, did Ferrari stop holding Massa back?

I'm hoping for better than "when he started driving better."

[JRodrigues]

crespo, on Nov 26 2012, 21:20, said:

I'm an Alonso fan, but I wouldn't wish against any other driver ever winning a championship in their careers. That's just poor class.

An Alonso fan talking about poor class... Something strange about that.

[tsk19xx]

There will come one day when Ferrari builds the best car of them all. That's when Alonso will win another title.

[Borko]

Unfortunately, I don't think he will. I hoped he was going to have at least 4 championships, and that he was going to surpass Prost in total number of victories, but everything looks dark right now.

Edited by BorkoF2012, 26 November 2012 - 23:34.

[rijole1]

JRodrigues, on Nov 26 2012, 15:32, said:

I don't have a crystal ball, but I hope not.

Agreed
I think he doesn't deserve it and Ferrari doesn't deserve it.
About being classy...A big reason to why I don't think they deserve it is - their tastless behaviour
Or am I being naive hoping there should be more sportmanship and fair play in F1 too?
Maybe so.

[Bruce]

rijole1, on Nov 26 2012, 18:55, said:

Agreed
I think he doesn't deserve it and Ferrari doesn't deserve it.
About being classy...A big reason to why I don't think they deserve it is - their tastless behaviour
Or am I being naive hoping there should be more sportmanship and fair play in F1 too?
Maybe so.

this will make his inevitable next WDC all the sweeter - knowing that there are sourpusses out there like you...

[crespo]

JRodrigues, on Nov 26 2012, 19:08, said:

An Alonso fan talking about poor class... Something strange about that.

Care to elaborate?

[abc02]

Does it really matter so much whether he wins another title or not? Vettel has more championships than him now and keeps on breaking records but as far as I can tell most people see Alonso as the superior driver (which he probably is). Guys like Ayrton Senna, Gilles Villeneuve and Stirling Moss aren't celebrated because of their stats, but because of the magic they did with a race car. I suspect Alonso will be remembered similarly when he retires.

[Jimisgod]

Depends on the RBR car. No one will win except Vettel with the status quo. McLaren are a match for speed but are too incompetent, Ferrari are the most competent team, but had only the 3rd or 4th fastest car over all of 2012 - and 2011 for that matter.

[wepmob2000]

There's always a chance that Newey will produce a below-par (for him) car next year, it has happened in the past and probably will again. In any case one serious contender is out of the way for 2013 (Hamilton), so Alonso is already one step closer to the title next year. Its inconceivable to me that he won't win at least one more title, the guy is in his prime and time is on his side to make it 3.

[George Costanza]

I think Alonso will win 2 more titles for Ferrari. Then retire as a 4 time World Champion. He will win next season.

Edited by George Costanza, 27 November 2012 - 03:48.

[vlado]

I feel like if he doesn't win it next year the odds will go down significantly...

[George Costanza]

vlado, on Nov 26 2012, 22:50, said:

I feel like if he doesn't win it next year the odds will go down significantly...

Not exactly. A driver of Fernando's skill, one would decline after he hits age 35.

So he got a few more years to pull it out. 3 more seasons.

[chrisj]

I hope not. Red Bull should win again in 2013, and 2014 is anyone's guess with the new engines. Fred's a lot more fun to watch as an underdog and his tweets lately have been comedy gold. In a perfect world, Massa would start beating his ass on a regular basis, but that's probably asking for too much.

[vlado]

George Costanza, on Nov 27 2012, 04:52, said:

Not exactly. A driver of Fernando's skill, one would decline after he hits age 35.

So he got a few more years to pull it out. 3 more seasons.

Right.. I forgot to mention that my statement was based on the "IF" he stays at Ferrari for 2014 and beyond.. I don't think that they will be able to sustain their competitiveness with the new formula rules.

Edited by vlado, 27 November 2012 - 03:56.

[George Costanza]

vlado, on Nov 26 2012, 22:56, said:

Right.. I forgot to mention that my statement was based on the "IF" he stays at Ferrari for 2014 and beyond.. I don't think that they will be able to sustain their competitiveness with the new formula rules.

His contract is up until '14, right?

Thought it was '16?

[SNiko]

Jimisgod, on Nov 27 2012, 04:33, said:

Depends on the RBR car. No one will win except Vettel with the status quo. McLaren are a match for speed but are too incompetent, Ferrari are the most competent team, but had only the 3rd or 4th fastest car over all of 2012 - and 2011 for that matter.

The question is not only about how fast the car is (BTW, quite often Ferrari had the fastest car, so, it is not fair to say that they are 3rd-4th fastest). Ferrai didn't have problems with reliability, they were not making mistakes on command brige, they were quite lucky as didn't have too much incidents with other cars.

Could Alonso win the WDC? Of course he could, if he didn't screw up the second part of the season. If he showed the same result as Massa (I'm not even talking about his magic 120%), he would win the WDC.

[kosmos]

George Costanza, on Nov 27 2012, 04:57, said:

His contract is up until '14, right?

Thought it was '16?

2016, strong hints that goes as far as 2017.

[Juggles]

Things do not happen in F1 just because they are deserved. Alonso will not stumble upon the third world championship his driving merits just because it would be unjust for him not to.

That said, Alonso has been in the fight going into the last race twice out of the three seasons he has been at Ferrari. If that continues I'd be surprised if he doesn't win at least one more further down the line, and I'd also be disappointed.

[Watkins74]

Bruce, on Nov 27 2012, 01:00, said:

this will make his inevitable next WDC all the sweeter - knowing that there are sourpusses out there like you...

Kimi + Fired = His fans hate Alonso and Ferrari

[Oho]

Watkins74, on Nov 26 2012, 21:43, said:

Kimi + Fired = His fans hate Alonso and Ferrari

No, mutual animosity was going strong years before Räikkönen leaving Ferrari, it certainly was reaching fever pitch already in 2005 and never really abated. I havn't really paid any attention to Alonso threads but Räikkönen threads certainly have their fair share of Alonso fans spewing their venom against Räikkönen and his fans, so it isn't a one way street. Yourself of course are objective and balanced and fair and reasonable and....

Edited by Oho, 27 November 2012 - 05:51.

[seahawk]

Most likely not.